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MS Flight CANCELLED. (Read 13025 times)
Jul 26th, 2012 at 1:20am

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So the premature birth of Flight subsequently lead to an early death:

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/7/25/3187649/microsoft-vancouver-lays-off-st...

A sad day for the 35 people who lost their job. But I can't say I'm not happy to hear that this poor excuse for a sim has been cancelled. Maybe now MS will "realign" its "portfolio" and put together a similar team to ACES to make a new sim which lives up to being the successor of FS9 and FSX.
 

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Reply #1 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 4:03am

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This is a perfect example of pleasing noone by trying to please everyone. It amazes me how a huge company like MS are idiotic enoguh to think you can casualise what is essentially the least casual genre ever.

You want my advice MS? Make a proper Flight Sim 11 with a great globe and improved modern graphics. Second: add alot of mission structure and tutorials and aids for new guys and girls to feel it's easy to get into.

Flight Simming is fun and not that hard: it's just a ridiculous initial learning curve and if you can make that super easy and then have loads of missions and campaigns after that I believe you can make a hugely successful flight sim.
 

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Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 5:26am

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I think MS Flight was flawed at the concept.

Too little for the gamer
Too little for the Flightsimmer

Add to that:  no outside input and it was doomed to hit the dust.

When we went to the MS campus in December and spoke to the team a few of us tried to tell them that the concept was flawed without open input. 'We're listening but we're not listening because we're doing what we're doing' was their response ... I think they would have loved to produce much more but their hands were tied.

As for the future? Many questions ... MS? P3D? PC? Tablet?

One thing we do know. The demand to simulate flying and download addons for that will not go away. People will still want to sit in front of a screen with a joystick or yoke. This hobby will no more diminish than the interest in aviation itself. 
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Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:31am

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Microsoft tried to destroy this community ,a community that wasn't intended to exist by them , instead of Join it and even be proud

  I said it It will last 6 month it last much less

a lot its being said in this part of the forum , many strangers came in and defend this "little game" with vehemence and even dear to said that it was better than FSX ,that it came to replace it (I read it so many times in MS site)

Many were kicked out of this site ,many insults and strong argues for what?

they thought they could control FS community with their cheats,manipulations and lies

I don't feel sorry for them? I feel sorry for the families and people in Denver Massacre, or many other who really are in disgrace in this world ,as for formers of MS Fraud ,they will find another job a more honorable one

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Reply #4 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:53am

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I am not sure if MS can now come back into the Flight sim market. I think they sold all rights to FSX a while ago and I cant see them investing in a studio like ACES when they have this FLIGHT failure on their hands. I think MS is out of the Flight Simming business. Sad
this is such a shame when ACES was so close with FSX11. (allegedly) Wink
 

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Reply #5 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:34am

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alrot wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:31am:
Microsoft tried to destroy this community ,a community that wasn't intended to exist by them , instead of Join it and even be proud

Alex 


Wow, ease up Alex. It wasn't really The Great Satan. It was just another example of how people employed at a big corporation can do really stupid, regrettable things. If you'll advance your career by telling your boss that "it's great" even though it's awful, well ... I think it's a common occurrence in "authority-driven hierarchies". Happens quite frequently, sorry to say.


 

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Reply #6 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 11:04am

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I do not want to gloat, nor to seem smug... but it's inevitable I will... after all, like others the caliber of Alrot, I did bet on a short life of this offensive attempt at milking the FS users base of "money for nothing and chicks for free" without getting good music in exchange either, if you allow me the citation.

And here I am, together with all my chaps users and believers in the FS formula, having the last laugh IN YOUR FACE M$. So good to be right. Makes my current illness feel a little better (having had the trots for a week now, I'm under heavy medications and really in a bad shape, but slowly getting better... especially now that I get to see M$ eat back its dear Flight with tears as dressing).

And I'm sorry Dave, but you may have not looked at Flight for the I dare call it sinister attempt it was, to transform a community of intelligent and cultured people the like WE ARE in merely a barn full of dumb money-cows good only to be milked for all their worth.

I said it before and repeat it now. Not every free person is willing to chain him or herself down only for your interests, M$ dear. You chose to try and transform your market base in an Apple-like copycat in the hope of drain US of our money for the merest stupidity you generously made available like Apple does to THEIR market base?

Wake up and smell the coffee, M$ dear. Not everyone is that... naive.

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Reply #7 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 5:45pm

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ArticFox I agree with your comment 100%. MS were taking the right direction in adding missions to FS. I would think they were making the right step to attract a fan base which wanted an easier way to enjoy flight. More missions and tutorials on a global scale through GFWL would have worked well.

Instead we were left with a shallow, 2-us-state, "arcade style" sim that left nothing to hold the interest of newer fans for more than a few weeks and even less to keep the aviation fanatics.

I'm praying that MS learns and FS11 follows with the essence of FSX and the engine of Flight.
 

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Reply #8 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 6:40pm

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All the speculation and arguments before Flight was released was more fun than the game itself. And as a side note, I think these developers all knew damn well that Flight would Flop. A publicly traded industry never, in all of stock market history, has listened to the consumer.  Sad
 

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Reply #9 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:15pm

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Steve M wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 6:40pm:
All the speculation and arguments before Flight was released was more fun than the game itself. And as a side note, I think these developers all knew damn well that Flight would Flop. A publicly traded commodity never, in all of stock market history, has listened to the consumer.  Sad


exactly
, I'm sorry that I repeat some of my word I said about this Flight Game before

  I remember that one of the first thing which concern me was that this new game will offer his new SDK but using Maya Instead 3dmax/gmax ,I rememeber a long debate I said wow now I am going to have to learn Maya software how much it will cost ? this was a train of rumours maybe even dropped on purpose by the own M$ it self

  They started a lot of rumours on the internet ,and this is why you can actually see only the latest 2 was about AFTER it was released ,and this section of Flight has been almost frozzen about three months ago ,and It was release in February 10 and this part of the forum was open in September 20 aproximaly ,
More pages of Rumors 


ftldave wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:34am:
Wow, ease up Alex. It wasn't really The Great Satan. It was just another example of how people employed at a big corporation can do really stupid, regrettable things. If you'll advance your career by telling your boss that "it's great" even though it's awful, well ... I think it's a common occurrence in "authority-driven hierarchies". Happens quite frequently, sorry to say.


 

   Grin Its not a great satan Satan Dave but lets faced some of their deal ,the invitation to the main FS websites webmasters and that whole art of manipulations involved ,the TOP super secret craps months before it releases ,the  the last lies about they would be releasing New York ,Alaska the rumours about that they were going to make the whole world ...to me the company was very dishonest ..the simple fact that No SDK Only we will make the airplanes and scenery ONLY we will win the whole money and grab the whole FS comunity makes me feel disapointed about this company ..

  I went back in this forum I INVITE EVERY ONE  to read this five pages of this part of the site,..
how many problems ,argues , The poor Strategic Retreat was call Microsoft hater and a lot of insult because he had a common sense point and was not to applause M$ ..

This whole Flight not the software The propaganda  has cause a damage to FS community ,I hope it recovers back ,I been in this a long time ago and I would be sad if it dissapears

  If I were M$ I would make the whole world again and like I read before make a new FS11 starting by LISTEN to FScommunity make a nice SDK and if it better than FSX or FS9 it would make more profit than Flight and maybe even more than FSX ,

to redeem themselves.. because at least I could never trust them anymore

Alex
 

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Reply #10 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:11pm

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alrot wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:15pm:
Steve M wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 6:40pm:
All the speculation and arguments before Flight was released was more fun than the game itself. And as a side note, I think these developers all knew damn well that Flight would Flop. A publicly traded commodity never, in all of stock market history, has listened to the consumer.  Sad


exactly
, I'm sorry that I repeat some of my word I said about this Flight Game before

  I remember that one of the first thing which concern me was that this new game will offer his new SDK but using Maya Instead 3dmax/gmax ,I rememeber a long debate I said wow now I am going to have to learn Maya software how much it will cost ? this was a train of rumours maybe even dropped on purpose by the own M$ it self

  They started a lot of rumours on the internet ,and this is why you can actually see only the latest 2 was about AFTER it was released ,and this section of Flight has been almost frozzen about three months ago ,and It was release in February 10 and this part of the forum was open in September 20 aproximaly ,
More pages of Rumors 


ftldave wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:34am:
Wow, ease up Alex. It wasn't really The Great Satan. It was just another example of how people employed at a big corporation can do really stupid, regrettable things. If you'll advance your career by telling your boss that "it's great" even though it's awful, well ... I think it's a common occurrence in "authority-driven hierarchies". Happens quite frequently, sorry to say.


 

   Grin Its not a great satan Satan Dave but lets faced some of their deal ,the invitation to the main FS websites webmasters and that whole art of manipulations involved ,the TOP super secret craps months before it releases ,the  the last lies about they would be releasing New York ,Alaska the rumours about that they were going to make the whole world ...to me the company was very dishonest ..the simple fact that No SDK Only we will make the airplanes and scenery ONLY we will win the whole money and grab the whole FS comunity makes me feel disapointed about this company ..

  I went back in this forum I INVITE EVERY ONE  to read this five pages of this part of the site,..
how many problems ,argues , The poor Strategic Retreat was call Microsoft hater and a lot of insult because he had a common sense point and was not to applause M$ ..

This whole Flight not the software The propaganda  has cause a damage to FS community ,I hope it recovers back ,I been in this a long time ago and I would be sad if it dissapears

  If I were M$ I would make the whole world again and like I read before make a new FS11 starting by LISTEN to FScommunity make a nice SDK and if it better than FSX or FS9 it would make more profit than Flight and maybe even more than FSX ,

to redeem themselves.. because at least I could never trust them anymore

Alex




Well said Alex, I have said this in a post from the past.. If Microsoft won't keep supporting the product key on our FSX discs, then FSX might die a slow death. FS9 is safe because it doesn't rely on a key number. No one has ever said MS would pull support, but no one has ever said they wouldn't.
So I believe Strategic was on target and so were you. Smiley
 

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Reply #11 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:01pm

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Whilst I'm not going to pretend I'm sad about MS Flight dying or the Workers being laid off I am sad that so many members of this close-knit Forum had to go before Flight Died.

I'm still mourning the fact that BradonF & other long term members have pretty much left because of arguments over this stupid game (Flight).
 

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Reply #12 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 11:01pm

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I take no pleasure in reading that people are now out of a job, but it is solely the making of MS. They asked, and did not listen to the answers they got, did their own thing and have now suffered the consequences. As usual a bean counter in the back room looked at the picture and though he could make a load of money by charging for everything. But for me that was not the problem. It was too gamey and the graphics were at best pants!

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Reply #13 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 3:21am

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No problem for me!... Smiley...!

It was a short experience...
I gave it a try, it didn't really suit me, so, as usual, I am back to having loads of fun every day, with my trusty FS 2004 (and FSX).

It was free, so, nothing lost, for me... Smiley...!

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Reply #14 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 4:42am

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