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May 10th, 2012 at 9:44pm

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I've finally saved up enough to purchase a DSLR, and I'll be ordering a used EOS 40D and EF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 IS USM tomorrow! Cheesy
It should arrive a day or two before I head off to Andrews AFB for the annual air show there, so I'll be trying it out there, any tips on air show shooting?
Can't wait to post pics!  Smiley
 

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Reply #1 - May 10th, 2012 at 10:00pm

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you'll be at Andrews? Big tip- bring lots and lots of memory! A couple years back at Andrews I ran out of memory before the Thunderbirds even took off!
 

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Reply #2 - May 10th, 2012 at 10:15pm

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c130lover wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 10:00pm:
you'll be at Andrews? Big tip- bring lots and lots of memory! A couple years back at Andrews I ran out of memory before the Thunderbirds even took off!


I'm getting an 8Gb card, that'll hold about 550 RAWs or 2,300 JPGs.
Is it worth it to shoot JPG to get more shots in this case?
 

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Reply #3 - May 10th, 2012 at 10:27pm

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RaptorF22 wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 10:15pm:
c130lover wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 10:00pm:
you'll be at Andrews? Big tip- bring lots and lots of memory! A couple years back at Andrews I ran out of memory before the Thunderbirds even took off!


I'm getting an 8Gb card, that'll hold about 550 RAWs or 2,300 JPGs.
Is it worth it to shoot JPG to get more shots in this case?

I only shoot RAW if I know the shooting conditions are going to be bad or I really want to control the photo conditions.  JPG only is the way to go for airshow stuff by far. Wink
 


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Reply #4 - May 10th, 2012 at 10:30pm

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skoker wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 10:27pm:
RaptorF22 wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 10:15pm:
c130lover wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 10:00pm:
you'll be at Andrews? Big tip- bring lots and lots of memory! A couple years back at Andrews I ran out of memory before the Thunderbirds even took off!


I'm getting an 8Gb card, that'll hold about 550 RAWs or 2,300 JPGs.
Is it worth it to shoot JPG to get more shots in this case?

I only shoot RAW if I know the shooting conditions are going to be bad or I really want to control the photo conditions.  JPG only is the way to go for airshow stuff by far. Wink


Ok, thanks, I've shot around 1,500 pics with a point and shoot in past years, so with 6.5 FPS I'm expecting a lot of photos! Smiley
 

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Reply #5 - May 13th, 2012 at 1:54pm

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I'm going to have to disagree with skoker here.   Smiley

I always shoot in raw, no matter what. Last airshow I took pictures at I had several otherwise excellent shots of hard-to-catch moments, aside from the fact that they were overexposed by 1.5-2 stops. I was able to at least salvage them (quite well) with DPP, which I could not have done with JPG.

So it depends. I would highly suggest shooting in raw, and taking time to dump the ones that aren't good.

I don't shoot airshows that much though, so someone with more experience would probably know better. Wink
 

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Reply #6 - May 14th, 2012 at 11:14am

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A few weeks ago when I went to see the Blue Angels practice, I shot pretty much all in raw. Only time it was not in raw was when I shot in bursts to catch opposing solo crosses and such. I found that I had better shots shooting raw. And I do have a 40d... used a 75-300 non is lens. I was happy with the results.
 

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Reply #7 - May 14th, 2012 at 2:14pm

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gtirob01 wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 11:14am:
A few weeks ago when I went to see the Blue Angels practice, I shot pretty much all in raw. Only time it was not in raw was when I shot in bursts to catch opposing solo crosses and such. I found that I had better shots shooting raw. And I do have a 40d... used a 75-300 non is lens. I was happy with the results.


Do you find the max burst of 17 frames restrictive?
I would like to shoot in raw, but I really do not have the budget to buy more cf cards at the moment, and I don't think 550 pictures will be enough.
 

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Reply #8 - May 14th, 2012 at 2:30pm

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Also, just putting it out there, you can always take in sRAW if you are concerned about space. I'd rather take mRAW or sRAW any day than JPEG.

I also own a 70-300 f/4-5.6 IS USM. I love it,and it is a good lens BUT it is not super sharp (It is still better than the 75-300, though). This means two things:

   1. Stop down to f/8. Everything becomes much sharper there.
   
   2. Even at f/8 the 70-300 doesn't have enough resolving power (IMO) to fully use the entire 10MP of the 40D. So, sRAW is most definitely an option. Once I did a quick photoshoot with a family member, and left my T3i/70-300 IS combo on s1 JPEG (2.3MP). I (as you could imagine) wasn't to happy. The point of this though, is that I seriously couldn't tell the difference inbetween 2.3MP and 18MP, even after some cropping.

Just a little more of my opinion..... Cheesy Wink

Have fun with you camera when it comes in!  Smiley
 

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Reply #9 - May 14th, 2012 at 4:21pm

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RaptorF22 wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
gtirob01 wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 11:14am:
A few weeks ago when I went to see the Blue Angels practice, I shot pretty much all in raw. Only time it was not in raw was when I shot in bursts to catch opposing solo crosses and such. I found that I had better shots shooting raw. And I do have a 40d... used a 75-300 non is lens. I was happy with the results.


Do you find the max burst of 17 frames restrictive?
I would like to shoot in raw, but I really do not have the budget to buy more cf cards at the moment, and I don't think 550 pictures will be enough.


I did not find it restrictive as I only used the bursts close to the aircraft crossing. Id say if you are gonna shoot static a/c... use jpeg, its easier to control the camera and set up the shot, and saves precious card space. I have an 8gig card and I found it to be enough for me.
 

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Reply #10 - May 14th, 2012 at 9:32pm

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I had not considered sRAW, I'll definitely consider that.
I'm not going to be shooting static A/C much at all with the 40D, I only have the 70-300 at the moment, and I think that'll be too restrictive for close up stuff.
I'll stop down to f/8, I just hope it's not too overcast so I can get good shutter speeds at low ISO. BTW, how is the 40D's noise performance? What should I try to keep it under?
 

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Reply #11 - May 14th, 2012 at 10:33pm

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Staying at or below ISO 400 is usually good, as a general rule of thunb. Since I don't have a 40D, I don't know about it's noise preformance.

RaptorF22 wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 9:32pm:
and I think that'll be too restrictive for close up stuff.


Or so you think..... You'd be suprised at what you can do with a tele lens.

Now that I've had a liittle time to think about what I said in my last post, I would add this:

RAW will give you all 10MP to crop down with (very useful in shots of planes in the air farther away), while sRAW and it's 2.4MP doesn't give that much to crop with. HOWEVER, because of various factors (heat distortion over long distances, sharpness of the lens, etc.) the 10MP image has a good chance of being so soft when cropped that a 2.4MP image would give the same amount of detail when cropped the same amount. If that makes sense..... Roll Eyes

Bottom line, just experiment with your camera before you get there, it always helps.  Wink

 

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Reply #12 - May 14th, 2012 at 10:36pm

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Yeah I usually do RAW for airshows. In fact, RAW for anything. It gives a better dynamic range when editing, but it gives you a bit more play in the camera settings. Your camera and lens are clearly not the top of the line, so shooting in RAW gives you that little bit extra.

For example, I usually underexpose on my camera at airshows so that I can use a faster shutter speed (weather dependent) and I can bring back that lost exposure in editing afterwards. It also lets you do weird things with the colours  Grin



But yeah, bring plenty of memory. I have 24GB worth of cards... At Cosford the other year I used up about 1900 of the 2100 available shots in RAW. So long as the card is fast enough, the image buffer won't be a problem.
 

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Reply #13 - May 15th, 2012 at 3:40am

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Interesting comments. In the end it all comes down to what you want to use the photos for. I've been taking photos at all types of air events for several years now. I take literally 1,000s of photos throughout the display season.* (I took over 800 at a fly-in at Popham on Sunday.) Everyone tells me how much better RAW is. After trying it a few times I decided I can't be bothered messing around with all that post-processing. For one thing I just haven't got the time.

It's better to get the camera settings right. IMHO This takes a bit of experimenting & practice, practice, practice. My favourite camera for aerial photos is my trusty Canon 40D with either a 70 - 300 or 120 - 400 mm lens depending on the venue. I find it very easy to use & change settings on the fly. I find that two 4 Gb memory cards are more than adequate for one-day events. Most important is carrying spare batteries & making sure they're all fully charged. Nothing more disappointing than having the battery run out just after you've arrived.

Also, I rarely use the burst feature. I prefer to take individual shots & the 40D is capable of taking as many shots as I want as fast as I can press the shutter button.

*You can see some of the results from the "My photo gallery" link in my sig. Please note that these images have been resized & compressed for posting on the Internet. All were taken in JPEG format.
 

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Reply #14 - May 15th, 2012 at 10:59am

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Hagar wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 3:40am:
Interesting comments. Everyone tells me how much better RAW is. After trying it a few times I decided I can't be bothered messing around with all that post-processing. For one thing I just haven't got the time.



About sums up RAW for me. I prefer to just take the shot. There are enough adjustments on my camera (Nikon d7000) to keep me busy without hours image manipulation out side of normal contrast and brightness if required.

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