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Question: Is Flight a Simulator?
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Reply #15 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 5:47pm

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I hope Andy didn't get mad at some of us.


No I'm not mad at you lot. Wink

It's interesting to see peoples differing opinions on what a simulator is.
 

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Reply #16 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:27pm

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andy190 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 5:47pm:
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I hope Andy didn't get mad at some of us.


No I'm not mad at you lot. Wink

It's interesting to see peoples differing opinions on what a simulator is.



Thanks Andy.  Smiley
 

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Reply #17 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:46pm

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andy190 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 5:47pm:
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I hope Andy didn't get mad at some of us.


No I'm not mad at you lot. Wink

It's interesting to see peoples differing opinions on what a simulator is.


Undecided S I M U L A T O R
that Simulates   Tongue

But the word does not measure how accurate must be to qualify

this game Simulates a space invasion

http://digitalinsane.com/games/space-invaders/

Now there's been a confusion about a game simulation here ,ALL GAMES ARE SIMULATION ..

I think the word should be Is Microsoft Flight Simulator game Its a training Software? Cat it be use as to train Students?

Or How accurate does Flight Simulator Series is comparising to
Flight Training Simulators
?


Tongue Grin



 

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Reply #18 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 8:21am

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Alrot:
I agree.


A better question would be:

Is flight as close to training simulators as FSX etc?
 

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Reply #19 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:18am

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jetprop wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 8:21am:
Alrot:
I agree.


A better question would be:

Is flight as close to training simulators as FSX etc?


These are the requirements for a Flight Simulator to be qualified to train flight crews. Microsoft Flight and Flight Simulator X do not meet these qualifications.

According to 14 CFR 61.1 (5) [Title 14 Aeronautics and Space; Chapter I Federal Aviation Administration, Department of Transportation; Subchapter D Airmen; Part 61 Certification: Pilots, Flight Instructors, and Ground Instructors; Subpart A General; Special Federal Aviation Regulations], Flight Simulator means “a device that --
(i) Is a full-size aircraft cockpit replica of a specific type of aircraft, or make, model, and series of aircraft;
(ii) Includes the hardware and software necessary to represent the aircraft in ground operations and flight operations;
(iii) Uses a force cueing system that provides cues at least equivalent to those cues provided by a 3 degree freedom of motion system;
(iv) Uses a visual system that provides at least a 45 degree horizontal field of view and a 30 degree vertical field of view simultaneously for each pilot; and
(v) Has been evaluated, qualified, and approved by the Administrator

However, with the aid of a computer, throttle, joy stick, and pedals, both simulate flight. Microsoft developed FSX as a Flight Simulator and MF as a game. Both have the purpose of enjoying the fun, freedom, and adventure of flight. Neither are close to meeting the above qualifications for flight crew training.
 

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Reply #20 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:21pm

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Flight Ace wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:18am:
jetprop wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 8:21am:
Alrot:
I agree.


A better question would be:

Is flight as close to training simulators as FSX etc?


These are the requirements for a Flight Simulator to be qualified to train flight crews. Microsoft Flight and Flight Simulator X do not meet these qualifications.

According to 14 CFR 61.1 (5) [Title 14 Aeronautics and Space; Chapter I Federal Aviation Administration, Department of Transportation; Subchapter D Airmen; Part 61 Certification: Pilots, Flight Instructors, and Ground Instructors; Subpart A General; Special Federal Aviation Regulations], Flight Simulator means “a device that --
(i) Is a full-size aircraft cockpit replica of a specific type of aircraft, or make, model, and series of aircraft;
(ii) Includes the hardware and software necessary to represent the aircraft in ground operations and flight operations;
(iii) Uses a force cueing system that provides cues at least equivalent to those cues provided by a 3 degree freedom of motion system;
(iv) Uses a visual system that provides at least a 45 degree horizontal field of view and a 30 degree vertical field of view simultaneously for each pilot; and
(v) Has been evaluated, qualified, and approved by the Administrator

However, with the aid of a computer, throttle, joy stick, and pedals, both simulate flight. Microsoft developed FSX as a Flight Simulator and MF as a game. Both have the purpose of enjoying the fun, freedom, and adventure of flight. Neither are close to meeting the above qualifications for flight crew training.

I mean:
FSX is more realistic than flight and has the abiility for ATC.
Motion simulation is also possible as has been done before.(I am pretty sure)
Full replicas would ALSO possible,the coding is there...
Both have the ability for a 45 degree horizontal field of view and a 30 degree vertical field of view.
 

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Reply #21 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:07pm

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jetprop wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:21pm:
FSX is more realistic than flight


really? Grin

/FS2000 /FS2002 /fs9 Its  wayyyyyyyy more realistic than  Flight
even Flightgear its better than flight   Tongue

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Reply #22 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:00pm

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I thinks it's a game for people who just want to fly, and not use systems
 

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Reply #23 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 3:49pm

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jetprop wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:21pm:
Flight Ace wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:18am:
jetprop wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 8:21am:
Alrot:
I agree.


A better question would be:

Is flight as close to training simulators as FSX etc?


These are the requirements for a Flight Simulator to be qualified to train flight crews. Microsoft Flight and Flight Simulator X do not meet these qualifications.

According to 14 CFR 61.1 (5) [Title 14 Aeronautics and Space; Chapter I Federal Aviation Administration, Department of Transportation; Subchapter D Airmen; Part 61 Certification: Pilots, Flight Instructors, and Ground Instructors; Subpart A General; Special Federal Aviation Regulations], Flight Simulator means “a device that --
(i) Is a full-size aircraft cockpit replica of a specific type of aircraft, or make, model, and series of aircraft;
(ii) Includes the hardware and software necessary to represent the aircraft in ground operations and flight operations;
(iii) Uses a force cueing system that provides cues at least equivalent to those cues provided by a 3 degree freedom of motion system;
(iv) Uses a visual system that provides at least a 45 degree horizontal field of view and a 30 degree vertical field of view simultaneously for each pilot; and
(v) Has been evaluated, qualified, and approved by the Administrator

However, with the aid of a computer, throttle, joy stick, and pedals, both simulate flight. Microsoft developed FSX as a Flight Simulator and MF as a game. Both have the purpose of enjoying the fun, freedom, and adventure of flight. Neither are close to meeting the above qualifications for flight crew training.

I mean:
FSX is more realistic than flight and has the abiility for ATC.
Motion simulation is also possible as has been done before.(I am pretty sure)
Full replicas would ALSO possible,the coding is there...
Both have the ability for a 45 degree horizontal field of view and a 30 degree vertical field of view.


Yes, in my opinion, FSX is years ahead of MF for being a realistic Flight Simulator.

Years ago I took off VFR from a field in Germany flying to Hamburg. Just before arriving, the ceiling dropped down below 1000 feet. I called Hamburg ATC and was set up for a Ground Control Approach (GCA). I was instructed to immediately climb to 2000 feet then radar directed around the area for a final approach. I was turned over to a GCA operator who then talked me down for landing. I broke out of the clouds at about 300 feet lined up with the runway. I was flying an Army Beaver with 5 passengers. This is only one of many weather related experiences I have encountered during both VFR and IFR flights before retiring as a Master Army Aviator.

The point is, I cannot replicate the above or other past weather related experiences with MF. In contrast, FSX allows me to set up similer flight situations using ATC, ILS, and GPS, and given a choice of location, aircraft, and weather conditions.

Both FM and FSX simulate flight and can be called flight simulators based on the pure dictionary definition. Neither, in my opinion, will ever meet the requirements for flight crew training I presented in my previous post. However, of the two, FSX would have the best chance of achieving it.
 

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Reply #24 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 6:21pm

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alrot wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:07pm:
jetprop wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:21pm:
FSX is more realistic than flight


really? Grin

/FS2000 /FS2002 /fs9 Its  wayyyyyyyy more realistic than  Flight
even Flightgear its better than flight   Tongue

  Grin


FS2000 simulates all the functionality of the Flight planes, realistic physics, as well as visuals such as reflections, high poly models, water reflections, 3D fog, and all kinds of real time shadowing? Wow, I did not know that! I'll have to go start up FS2000...

</sarcasm>

I know Flight is no FSX replacement, but really?!!  Huh

Another thing to make me think: Why did I even come back here?
 
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Reply #25 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 6:35pm

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Another thing to make me think: Why did I even come back here?


Brandon, I made this thread so that people could stop arguing about Flight & so people who left because of the arguments could come back.
 

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Reply #26 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 8:12pm

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andy190 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 6:35pm:
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Another thing to make me think: Why did I even come back here?


Brandon, I made this thread so that people could stop arguing about Flight & so people who left because of the arguments could come back.



Actually, a lot of these comments were not about Flight specifically, and it has been a nice clean discussion about simulators for the most part. Maybe not totally on topic, but if you ask which one is a simulator, another may ask what is a simulator? I have enjoyed reading most of the comments on this thread.
  I believe the fans of Flight, FSX, and FS9 could sit at a round table and banter until the cows come home, same as religion and politics, I think. But.. no one should go away mad. Hundreds of people can express their opinions, but hundreds of people can never make a single unified decision.  Cool   
 

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Reply #27 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:13pm

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Well said/typed Steve... Smiley
 

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Reply #28 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 3:45am

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Steve M wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 8:12pm:
andy190 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 6:35pm:
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Another thing to make me think: Why did I even come back here?


Brandon, I made this thread so that people could stop arguing about Flight & so people who left because of the arguments could come back.



Actually, a lot of these comments were not about Flight specifically, and it has been a nice clean discussion about simulators for the most part. Maybe not totally on topic, but if you ask which one is a simulator, another may ask what is a simulator? I have enjoyed reading most of the comments on this thread.
  I believe the fans of Flight, FSX, and FS9 could sit at a round table and banter until the cows come home, same as religion and politics, I think. But.. no one should go away mad. Hundreds of people can express their opinions, but hundreds of people can never make a single unified decision.  Cool   


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Reply #29 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:45pm

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Goodly evening all... Wink

AND

The plot thickens...

-Microsoft Flight Simulator X...Delux Edition
AND
-Microsoft Flight Simulator X...Acceleration
            Expansion Pack

Bottom of each of the above boxes:

Port Side
-Below content rated by ESRB
-it says:
-GAME Experience May Change During Online Play

Starboard Side
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