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Reply #60 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 7:14pm

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I don't care anymore where the 'Flight' board is located. I've been reading speculation and opinions for well over a year and even offered up a few of my thoughts now and then. Microsoft wants your money, so the chance of seeing another open source type of simulator from MS in the future, is dead and buried. So if you like Flight, then happy trails to you. If you don't like it, you know the path to take.  Cool
 

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Reply #61 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 7:42pm

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Wing Nut wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 5:27pm:
No, actually, it's not. 

If this is directed to me, sorry I don't understand what your referring to. What's not?

Wing Nut wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 5:27pm:
There are plenty of instances where a plane can be ported from FS9 to FSX with minimal effort.  The CFS2 planes could even be ported into FS9.

I never said they could not, done a few myself.

Wing Nut wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 5:27pm:
Backwards compatibility will never be perfect, but it is an excellent tool.  I'm sure right now there's someone, somewhere trying to figure out how to convert a .mdl to a .model.

I don't want backwards compatibility if it requires staying with the same old CPU clogging code that cannot take advantage of all the GPU advances that have happened in the last couple of years.

And yes there is a locked thread at Avsim in which members are cracking Flight and extracting models. That isn't the hard part, getting modified models back in will be the challenge. But that isn't "backwards compatibility", technically it's theft and will remain so until Microsoft releases an SDK, which I think they will at some point.

Camel_Moe wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 6:31pm:
...you could buy any MSFS title, run it, and never buy a thing for it again. You had a larger stable of planes, with a variety to choose from,  a whole world, and assorted features like AI, right out of the box.   

Granted, I don't deny that.

Camel_Moe wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 6:31pm:
Now you have to buy the whole program bit by bit, for a total that could reach into the hundreds of dollars or more, just to get a comparable content when compared to what was standard in a MSFS title. 


"Comparable content" is where you lose me. I think to get Flight quality visuals in FSX most people spend hundreds of dollars on Ultimate Terrain, GEX, FEX, REX, Active Sky, addon airports, you can go to Orbx alone and spend close to a grand.

I know that Flight doesn't meet all those addons in terms of quality .....yet. But it might in the future.

Wow, has this wandered off-topic.  Smiley

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Reply #62 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 9:32pm

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Ahhh, ok, I see where I lost you. I'm refering to quantity, not quality.
"Comparable content" in the extreme sense would be a quantity of scenery, aircraft, features, etc, equal to what MSFS has out of the box.
However, say for me, I need at minimum, the whole US. Going by the current prices and areas available, a pretty safe guess for me to do that would be at least $100, probably more, and not including new aircraft.
Ok, so I plunk down, say, $130 for the entire US, and some planes. I've allready more than doubled what I had to spend JUST to do what I do with MSFS in the US, still minus frills like AI. Never mind the rest of the world for this example. Just pretend all I needed was the US, and I was willing to pay that much to use it in Flight.
So now the question is, for a "Flight 2", do I have to start over and plunk that money down to get the same stuff again?
Alternately, is there a "Flight 2" where I can still use my previous "flight 1" DLC, but I now have very little reason to invest because I have all I want, and thus MS makes significantly less from me?
Last possible scenario, is "Flight 1" all there ever is untill it becomes obsolete, and that's the end of the Flight series? Fini. No more.
That's where we were going with it.

As for the OT.....My bad, I think I derailed us on page 2, talking about Wiki.... Embarrassed
 

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Reply #63 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 10:04pm

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JoBee wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 7:42pm:
[quote author=0807111A020D630 link=1331408790/54#54 date=1331587679]I think to get Flight quality visuals in FSX most people spend hundreds of dollars on Ultimate Terrain, GEX, FEX, REX, Active Sky, addon airports, you can go to Orbx alone and spend close to a grand.


You forgot SEX!  Sound Environment Extreme...   Cheesy
 

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Reply #64 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 11:40pm

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Aren't you glad you asked the question, Pete?   Grin

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Reply #65 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 11:28am

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JBaymore wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 11:40pm:
Aren't you glad you asked the question, Pete?   Grin

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What was the question again?   Cheesy

Seriously, this is almost the only thread going in a bit over two days, the other being a small thread for joystick help.
What it really comes down to, is that it's Pete's site, he can put Flight under the "Wierd things that give me headaches" section if he wants. He was thoughtfull enough to ask for member opinions instead of just up and moving it.
Frankly, I doubt that any move, or not moving of the board, will effect Flight itself in any real tangible fashion. We'll all just continue on with it just the same, OT silliness and all, regardless of where it ends up. If Flight is going to die, board location isn't going to speed that up, or stop it.
 

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Reply #66 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 12:20pm

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You're right moe ... it wouldn't make any difference ...

I usually arrange boards in terms of relevance to this site and popularity ....


So .... I can see the 'Flight' board being moved down to the bottom of this section once the novelty has worn off .... & then let's see where it goes in terms of what people are saying  about it ...
 

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Reply #67 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 1:05pm

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pete wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
So .... I can see the 'Flight' board being moved down to the bottom of this section once the novelty has worn off .....

you wont have to wait too long anyways..

6 month max.......

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Reply #68 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 3:00pm

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OK,people.

Those who say that you need to spend loads on FSX to make it as good as flight are wrong.

I use a pc of roughly 300/400 euro,FSX for 20 euro and the rest is all freeware,and look at my shots!
I run it at 12-20 FPS with most setting near/at the top wich is all I need.
 

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Reply #69 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 6:11pm

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jetprop wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 3:00pm:
OK,people.

Those who say that you need to spend loads on FSX to make it as good as flight are wrong.

I use a pc of roughly 300/400 euro,FSX for 20 euro and the rest is all freeware,and look at my shots!
I run it at 12-20 FPS with most setting near/at the top wich is all I need.


Heck, since 1982 I could count all the payware I bought on one hand, up untill last month that is. Now all my saved "just in case there is an FS11" hardware money is being thrown at payware like ORBX and REX, Corenado, Just Flight, etc.  That's more about a recent desire to support 3rd party than it is about needing the stuff to get what I want out of FSX.
I just finnaly decided that now that it looks like FSX is going to be the last of it's kind from MS, I might as well "supercharge" it with the funds, and give the payware people some support in the process.
Freeware has done it for me just fine for years, and if I thought there was a next MSFS in the pipe, I probably wouldn't be buying all that payware now either.
 

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Reply #70 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 1:19pm

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Pete,

Great choice and your justification for it is sound.

I just picked up on an article in the Wall Street Journal and thought it should be posted as a separate subject, however I am posting it here since the discussion reference this article was discussed here.

Here is the Headline in the Marketplace Section of the Wall Street Journal I received this morning.

"End of Era for Britannica"

Here are a couple of quotes from the article.

"But the company has a long way to go before it can touch the online presence of Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia supported by the nonprofit Wikipedia Foundation. Wikipedia appears as the No 1 result on Google for 56% of searches, according to a 2012 study by Intelligent Positioning Ltd , a U.K. based agency that helps business increase their online traffic."

Mr. Cauz, President of Encyclopedia Britannica, said, and again I quote.

"The company has already taken other pages out of Wikipedias's book. Britannica on line allows readers to make revisions to the encyclopedia articles which are then published by editors after a review process."

My source for the above is the latest press release of the Wall Street Journal. Makes me wonder, will some Universities now black list Britannica?
 

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Reply #71 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 1:42pm

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It is my understanding that the Britannica review process will remain very much the same, so I would imagine the objections to referencing the Britannica online will be about what they are now.  It's not like people will be able to make changes "wiki style", on the fly.
However, universities generally frown on using the encyclopedia has a primary reference already.
 

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Reply #72 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:40pm

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Heck, since 1982 I could count all the payware I bought on one hand, up untill last month that is. Now all my saved "just in case there is an FS11" hardware money is being thrown at payware like ORBX and REX, Corenado, Just Flight, etc


Hey don't support Carenado man - they are the ones being paid highly making the planes for M$ Flight and making a good killing from M$ by doing this. Also some of the other scenery guys are contracted to M$ for lots of $$$$. Not sure which ones making scenery but I know for sure Carenado is making props for MS Flight.
 

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Reply #73 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:00pm

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striker wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:40pm:
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Heck, since 1982 I could count all the payware I bought on one hand, up untill last month that is. Now all my saved "just in case there is an FS11" hardware money is being thrown at payware like ORBX and REX, Corenado, Just Flight, etc


Hey don't support Carenado man - they are the ones being paid highly making the planes for M$ Flight and making a good killing from M$ by doing this. Also some of the other scenery guys are contracted to M$ for lots of $$$$. Not sure which ones making scenery but I know for sure Carenado is making props for MS Flight.


And where did you read that Carenado are making Props for Flight?

It doesn't matter if Carenado are making Props for Flight, if we buy their FSX stuff more than their Flight stuff then they will realise what they've signed up for.
 

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Reply #74 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:43pm

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striker wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:40pm:
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Heck, since 1982 I could count all the payware I bought on one hand, up untill last month that is. Now all my saved "just in case there is an FS11" hardware money is being thrown at payware like ORBX and REX, Corenado, Just Flight, etc


Hey don't support Carenado man - they are the ones being paid highly making the planes for M$ Flight and making a good killing from M$ by doing this. Also some of the other scenery guys are contracted to M$ for lots of $$$$. Not sure which ones making scenery but I know for sure Carenado is making props for MS Flight.


Man, where do people get this stuff...   Roll Eyes
 

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