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Reply #15 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 4:52pm

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andy190 wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 4:41pm:
My Opinion: It's not a sim so it shouldn't be in Current Flight Simulator Series.

Also if it were moved down there would be less arguments & more posts asking for help because the people who argued wouldn't bother to scroll down & the only people that would scroll down would be people who needed help.

I think a few questions have gone unanswered because the answerers don't want to be branded "Haters".


That sounds like a good idea,  if it means less unpleasant arguments!

I recall, the same blinding arguments occurred, during the introduction, and release, of FSX, but at least it was classified as a proper Flight Simulator at the time!

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Reply #16 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 5:49pm

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Are there enough other items out there to warrant a category of "Flight Game Software" as a distinct category?

If not ... then is a sub-category under "Computer Games and Software" possible as MS Flight?

Basically,.... it just doesn't neatly "fit" anywhere.  Which is the whole problem with it.  It is a solution looking for a need.

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Reply #17 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 5:59pm

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What's the category for Wii bowling? Same place...put it there... Tongue Grin Wink

 

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Reply #18 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 6:10pm

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Groundbound1 wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 5:59pm:
What's the category for Wii bowling? Same place...put it there... Tongue Grin Wink




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Reply #19 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 6:14pm

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You know, it's not my place to tell you what your job is Pete, but I would suggest that by relegating Flight to the Games and Software category you'll be killing it as the current edition of FS before it even gets started.  We still do not know where MS is going with this and it COULD grow over time into something.  After a year or so when the major land masses are out and more planes are available, it may turn into a real world sim.

Right now, except for the cheesy missions, it's really not that much different in that you decide your own level of participation.  You decide if you do the walkarounds, you decide if you do the checklist.  You decide if you want to follow proper taxiing procedures.   Truth is, in FS, you can go out and hop in a plane and turn off the crash setting and taxi across the grass and take off from a hillside if you want.  That makes FS into a game. 

I am not trying to make Flight into FS11, and I'm not here to sing it's praises, but I do think a lot of people are looking at it from that viewpoint. People are pissed off at MS about the removal of 3rd party and I agree with that.  I think Flight is as much game as sim right now, but how about at least giving it a fair shake and let the dust settle before we reject it totally?
 

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Reply #20 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 6:33pm

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pete wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 4:31pm:
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I agree with Pete


... agree? How did my question get translated into 'my opinion?'

Once again  ....
I am asking for your opinion
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My Opinion Honestly ,Leave it here , Its a simulator but not like the ones we are used too

It better than FlightGear ,and some other simulators

  If M$ told you that this is a game ,remember it also have free Mode flight and that's when i becomes somekind of Simulator ..Its cool I'll give it some credit and Yes Win Nuts its right Love it or hate it ,

I like it,....
its free "Partially" it has a great Graphics  ,but I still hate Microsoft  Angry
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Reply #21 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 7:53pm

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I might add that if you want to move Flight, you might want to consider revamping the entire Current Simulator section.  Adding traffic and gates might be more of a development issue.  Flight school might be more of a real aviation thing.  If you're going to have Flight Gear, you might also want to consider adding X-Plane and whatever else is out there...
 

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Reply #22 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 7:56pm

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Wing Nut wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 6:14pm:
You know, it's not my place to tell you what your job is Pete, but I would suggest that by relegating Flight to the Games and Software category you'll be killing it as the current edition of FS before it even gets started...... 


That is sort of the point:  MS Flight *is not* the current edition of FS, as in "Flight Simulator".
 

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Reply #23 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 8:28pm

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www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulatorx/

www.microsoft.com/games/flight/

Flight is Microsoft's successor to FSX. Both Flight and FSX are classified as games by the publisher and retailers no matter how much that ruffles serious simmers' feathers. I can't help but think it's a little bit pretentious to insist that flying make-believe airplanes on a computer screen MUST be called a simulator and not a game. And I say that as I'm paging through a detailed XB-70 checklist and making an IFR flight plan. Keep Flight where it is.
 

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Reply #24 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 8:36pm

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Reminds me of the old "engine or motor" debate... (BTW, the answer to that one is that all engines are motors, but not all motors are engines Tongue Grin)

I really can't believe that this is still up for debate. Huh

A question for anyone that still believes Flight is a sim rather than a game...

Would you (or do you think anyone else would) build a "sim-pit" based on Flight?

 

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Reply #25 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 8:49pm

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Groundbound1 wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 8:36pm:
I really can't believe that this is still up for debate. Huh

A question for anyone that still believes Flight is a sim rather than a game...

Would you (or do you think anyone else would) build a "sim-pit" based on Flight?


Not only can I believe this is still up for debate, if it ends up like it's console driving game "sim vs. arcade" counterpart, the debate will continue indefinitly, or at least as long as MS keeps putting out related product, and people keep playing.
Oddly enough I can see somebody making a sim-pit for it as well. There's got to be at least one Flight fanatic somewhere planning it right this minute... Grin
 

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Reply #26 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:11pm

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pete wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 2:46pm:
Well it just occurred to me that this is listed under 'Current Flight Simulator Series ›'


However as MS is listing this completely and by definition as a GAME. They have specifically stated that Flight is NOT a simulator.


Should we  really move the MS Flight board to 'Computer Games and Software'?


The downside is that MS Flight is very current and moving it down the forums will leave it kind of out of site ......


Thoughts?


Pete,

Here are a couple of paragraphs by Wikipedia describing this new 11th addition to the Microsoft flight simulation series. They refer to it as a Flight Simulation Game. I agree with their characterization of this new release and based on its similar and often  times improved features over FSX, I believe it should stay where it is.

Microsoft Flight is a flight simulation game from Microsoft Studios created as a successor to the long-running, discontinued Microsoft Flight Simulator series. The simulation game[2] is offered "free-to-play"; only charging gamers for downloading extra content, aircraft or scenery.[3] It takes an all new approach to that of the original series, instead focussing much more on the universal appeal of flight and aiming to engage a much wider audience.

Flight features new aircraft, scenery and terrain, a revamped weather engine, and new gameplay elements for users of all skill levels.[5] The new weather engine renders more realistic clouds and weather effects, including fog that blends well with the surrounding terrain, which Microsoft's previous flight simulator release, (Microsoft Flight Simulator X), was not capable of. As seen in the screenshots, the most noticeable graphical improvements are the newer shader models and the use of new DirectX versions. Part of the improvement is more realistic lighting and self shadowing on aircraft, as well as the ability for terrain and scenery objects to cast shadows onto other objects and terrain. The aircraft visual models are much improved over those of the previous flight simulator releases. Flight also features a new missions system.
 

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Reply #27 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:26pm

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Hehe. Ironically, the people at Wiki have been having an edit war over game vs. simulation for months now. It's the longest topic on the talk page. I think the most recent idea was that they should call it a "gimulator".
Do we have a gimulator section by any chance? Probabbly make things easier...
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Reply #28 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:28pm

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Ahh yes, Wikipedia...the only encyclopedia who's users can supply their own information...
 

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Reply #29 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:32pm

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Groundbound1 wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:28pm:
Ahh yes, Wikipedia...the only encyclopedia who's users can supply their own information...


There is a reason that those of us in the college acadermic community frown upon its use as a reference.  Wink

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