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Mar 9th, 2012 at 4:07pm

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...but they finally added stalls!  Cool
 

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Reply #1 - Mar 9th, 2012 at 4:39pm

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Many of my payware/freeware have proper stall behavior, so they haven't really added it. True, default aircraft had problems with realism when stalling. You could force them they just wouldn't act proper when they did stall.  I was always meh on the default anyway.
Unfortunately it would seem that while fixing stalls they buggered up quite a bit of the overstress and overspeed related stuff. I've yet to break a plane when I should have many times over by now, and pulling out of a dive seems to take little or no effort at times when it should be screw the pooch time.
But then again, I don't really care. I'm not giving any more money to Flight anyway, so I don't really care what they do or don't fix. Not like I don't have a ton of sims that serve me just fine. I'm just keeping Flight on my drive untill I get bored with it.
If other people have fun with it, great, but MS Flight can't give me anything I don't allready have, and I'm certainly not shelling out hundreds of dollars in hopes of ending up with some kind of FS11 like some people want to bet on.
 

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Reply #2 - Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:03pm

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It doesn't matter what payware and freeware aircraft did.  They weren't done by MS and MS never had stalls correct in any FS.  I'm not 100% sure they're correct now, but at least they gave it a shot...
 

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Reply #3 - Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:07pm

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So your congratulating MS for doing something that Freeware did 3 flight sims ago. Huh
 

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Reply #4 - Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:30pm

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Ok, let's keep this lighthearted, shall we?  I'm not saying anything except there's at least one thing in Flight that has not been in past releases of FS. 

So many people here seem to WANT to hate Flight.  You want to know my impression?  If you're a Jet guy, you'll hate it.  If you're a GA guy, you might like it.  I like the fact that you can go through the start up procedures, think it's idiotic that they make you walk to the plane.  I've only played it for about half an hour, so give me time to form a proper feeling for it.

The bad part of Flight so far is not in the graphics or the dynamics, but in what was omitted from Flight Simulator (3rd party), the greedy MS marketing practices and the scripted game play.

Oh, and I like the heads up display as opposed to the hard to read tiny red text in past FS versions...
 

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Reply #5 - Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:44pm

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Firstly I don't want to hate Flight.

I'm not a "jet guy" I'm a GA Flier. But I have flown in Flight of about half a week & I still don't think it's a sim.

Also if it doesn't have the whole world & all the types of planes in the world it can't be a sim can it?
 

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Reply #6 - Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:53pm

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I'm hoping it gets better and gives you some free flight after the boring lessons...
 

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Reply #7 - Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:54pm

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Wing Nut wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:30pm:


So many people here seem to WANT to hate Flight.  You want to know my impression?  If you're a Jet guy, you'll hate it.  If you're a GA guy, you might like it. 

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I like it ,If we see Flight as what it is (we shall call it "something else " but not a replacement of FSX) then Its free ,It is not large files ..
  The Problem I think started by people own thought that Flight Would be the New Flight Simulator 11 and that's when the hate starts
Me ? I still hate every time I read the new software comes to replace previews version this is and attempt to destroy many things that the FS community has hardly build all over these years, Avsim, Simvation , FlightSiim etcetera etcetera,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera,

  and THAT'S My hate against M$ ,Not because Flight which I think is cool , whatever it is a game and arcade a pseudo Simulator ,I don't know yet

  But these people can not came just like that hey we come to replace FSX and now we will control everything Everything will be ours from, now on and destroy something so precious , freeware developers ,Web master and their sites Years of something that went further of its original purposes  for every single release of MSFS series, It growed even more

Just because you decided it ,that's disgusting disrespectful, Dirty, NON  ETHICAL and irresponsible .. 

  they should try to take advantage of that self made Community be grateful and proud of what without its purpose made by it self because of them and Instead to try to close it ,to join it ,and listen more to the people

they could win even more money like that 


     
 

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Reply #8 - Mar 9th, 2012 at 7:28pm

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alrot wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
  they should try to take advantage of that self made Community be grateful and proud of what without its purpose made by it self because of them and Instead to try to close it ,to join it ,and listen more to the people
   

Maybe they will. Maybe they are not done developing Flight to the point they want to release an SDK.

Maybe they saw what happened with FSX  and it's many versions of SDKs and said "not again".

Maybe they are taking their time creating Flight so they can do it right and fix all the bugs before the SDK comes out. We all might be part of a big Beta team.

Maybe they decided to release Flight the way they did to generate a revenue stream to fund continued development.

Maybe....who knows?

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Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2012 at 12:53am

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alrot wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
Wing Nut wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:30pm:


So many people here seem to WANT to hate Flight.  You want to know my impression?  If you're a Jet guy, you'll hate it.  If you're a GA guy, you might like it. 

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I like it ,If we see Flight as what it is (we shall call it "something else " but not a replacement of FSX) then Its free ,It is not large files ..
  The Problem I think started by people own thought that Flight Would be the New Flight Simulator 11 and that's when the hate starts
Me ? I still hate every time I read the new software comes to replace previews version this is and attempt to destroy many things that the FS community has hardly build all over these years, Avsim, Simvation , FlightSiim etcetera etcetera,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera,

  and THAT'S My hate against M$ ,Not because Flight which I think is cool , whatever it is a game and arcade a pseudo Simulator ,I don't know yet

  But these people can not came just like that hey we come to replace FSX and now we will control everything Everything will be ours from, now on and destroy something so precious , freeware developers ,Web master and their sites Years of something that went further of its original purposes  for every single release of MSFS series, It growed even more

Just because you decided it ,that's disgusting disrespectful, Dirty, NON  ETHICAL and irresponsible .. 

  they should try to take advantage of that self made Community be grateful and proud of what without its purpose made by it self because of them and Instead to try to close it ,to join it ,and listen more to the people

they could win even more money like that 


     



Bingo. It's fine by itself. I'm not bored with it yet, but I'll get there. It's not a FSX replacement for most users here, never will be.
True, there are people that just want to hate it for the sake of hating it. There are also people that still want to insist that Flight is some kind of awesome sim, and that after further development the pre release "FS11 dream" will be realized.  The former outnumbering the latter by a wide margin. 
Most of us that are left however, are not haters. We're the people that knew before that this wasn't going to be FS11. Some of us still hoped it would be more sim than game, but knew for sure that one way or another things were going to be different.
What we got is mostly a game. It's not intended to be anything else. It's not going to turn into a FSX replacement. It's not going to turn into FS11 with ultra realistic physics and a whole world of ultra detailed scenery and hundreds of thousands of airports full of massive amounts of realistic AI traffic.
Dealing with reality isn't hating, and that's what most members here are doing. We're dealing with reality. 
If a few people still want to keep telling themselves different, picking out every glimmer of hope and hype has proof that the dream is alive and well, they don't need my approval, but refusing to drink the kool-aid doesn't make everyone else haters.
As far has most of the real haters go, if MS had actively marketed Flight to the gamer world has the DLC moneyfarm game that it is, instead of leaving it to the sim community to hype themselves up into a frenzy, there'd be quite a bit less blind hatred. Gamers don't seem to mind DLC moneyfarms nearly as much as long time  freeware addicted simmers do.  MS created that hate themselves with a lousy marketing plan.
 

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Reply #10 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 6:15pm

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WING Nut Wrote:
 " they should try to take advantage of that self made Community be grateful and proud of what without its purpose made by it self because of them and Instead to try to close it ,to join it ,and listen more to the people
they could win even more money like that  "


MS say that they have been dissapointed by some of the negative, unconstructive reactions from the simmers. There has been a lot of that, no doubt about it. You are right in saying that they should maybe reach out more to the established simmer community as it would, in the long run make for a better game. But there is no point in asking for the world as it is in FSX. Free third party add ons are dead. Never will happen again. They cant afford that and I think we should accept that reality, and find ways to constructively  influenze MS in making Flight something everybody, not just newbies would wish to use.
 

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Reply #11 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 8:38pm

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Cusance wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 6:15pm:
MS say that they have been dissapointed by some of the negative, unconstructive reactions from the simmers.


When you run a business and drop a long-term successful product line that appealed to a specific market segment, then you should EXPECT that kind of negative reaction. So to do so and then say you are "disapointed" in the inevitable reaction shows nothing but lack of care for the original people that supported the product all along.... or an absolute absymal ubnderstanding of basic Business 101.

In either case...... it does not speak well of Microsoft and the people that made these decisions.

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Reply #12 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 9:38pm

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What John said, x2... Angry

And it wasn't me that said that.  I think it was Alex...  Wink
 

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Reply #13 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:05pm

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As long as we're at it, if you want to see what MS might have done, float over to X-Plane and see what Austin has done with that.  Not only is he upgrading X-Plane 10, he also has an an iPhone, Android and iPad App (and presumably for Android tablets as well).

MS just doesn't get it and from the looks of Windows 8, they never will...  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #14 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:36pm

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I got X-plane years ago. Not sure which version, but it was early on.
Thought it was ok at the time.
It didn't hold my attention though, and the next one I bought wasn't untill years later. That was Xp9.
Now I am addicted to making my own aircraft.
To bad MS never made it as easy to do. I messed with Gmax, and I can mess with an aircraft.cfg and all that real basic tweak stuff, but I never got it all put together to the level where I could make a 100% orriginal FS aircraft. With XP, I can crank a basic concept out in less than a day.
If only for that, XP will stick arround in my library... Grin
 

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