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Apr 8th, 2011 at 4:02am

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I am thinking about dusting off CFS2 and maybe adding a plane or two to it. First, will CFS2 work in Windows 7 64 bit? I don't recall trying to run it in Win 7 since I got the new machine. Second, I know there is some great scenery for CFS2 but is there any blowupable scenery? I know that some of the hangars and buildings on the airfields can be destroyed but is there any other structures, etc that can be added in and then promptly blown up? Until VRS gets their Tack-Pack out for the Superbug, we're kind of limited to blowing up other aircraft and vehicles in FSX.
 
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Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:33am

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I have limited input for you on your first question...
Some folks report running CFS2 in Win7, and others report problems.  We haven't heard anything definitive yet.  So give her a try.  The folks having problems think they revolve around video driver and/or security setting issues. Perhaps some of our other members have some first hand input to add.  Undecided

There ARE lots of 'destroyable' objects available in CFS2...lots.  That is what we do, you know.  Grin
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 11:51am

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Win7 is great and it kinda depend on what verion you have.

do know which version of windows 7 you have?

if you have win7 pro the 32 not the 64 version all you have to do is run it as a XP program. if you have the home or any of the 64 versions you might be out of luck.

sometime the win7 home (the 32 not the 64) supprises us. you may have to right click on the execute file and give the security permission to run.

i have had an issue where the game runs fine but the addon planes cause crashes. my comp for what ever reason doest like the higher graphics. useing paintshop i had to change the panels from 1024x768 to 800x600. but that might just be the slaved graphics card. Huh

its realy trial and error with these old games. i play Delta Force Land Warrior and Delta Force Task Force Dagger. both are as old as CFS2 and hear the same problems.

so i hope this helps.

***all else fails you can partion your drive. install XP and run CFS2 on that partion. dont ask me how but its been done and it works.*** Shocked
 

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Reply #3 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 4:46am

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Tango_Romeo wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:33am:
I have limited input for you on your first question...
Some folks report running CFS2 in Win7, and others report problems.  We haven't heard anything definitive yet.  So give her a try.  The folks having problems think they revolve around video driver and/or security setting issues. Perhaps some of our other members have some first hand input to add.  Undecided

Based on input from the FS9 & FSX forums you can overcome the Vista/Win7 security issues by doing a Custom Install of CFS2 to a location outside the default Program Files directory. In a 64-bit OS the default directory is Program Files (x86)
 

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Reply #4 - Apr 13th, 2011 at 9:14am

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I have been using Win7 for over a year with CFS2 with no problems.  What you need to do is go to Control panel and turn User Account Controls off.  That way you can modify and add files with no difficulty.  I have even built 2 campaigns with Win7 on my laptop and will upload them both here soon.

As for destroyable objects, All GSL scenery packs have destroyable objects.  The older, non-GSL stuff doesn't.  You can add destroyable objects to the the older stuff in Mission Builder, or create an MB layout and then create a gob/gsl for the scenery with the new objects in place.  It will be confusing though with destroyable and non-destroyable objects side by side..
 

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Reply #5 - Apr 13th, 2011 at 11:46pm

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Thanks, Shadow Wolf, it's good to have advice from those with firsthand experience.  Smiley
 

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Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2011 at 7:37pm

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Dear Brett,
I haven't installed CFS2 on my Win 64bit machine for the very simple reason that I have lost one of my install Discs ! The problems seem very similar to getting the MS Train Sim to run, and they mostly revolve around permissions.
1st - do not install it in the default 'Program files (x86) location but create a separate folder on your C:\ drive ( or better still, on a different drive, if you have one ).
2nd - do not run the installer from 'Auto-play'. If that comes up, close it, then use Windows Explorer to find the install set-up file on the CD. Right-click on the installer file and select 'Run as Administrator' from the pop-up menu that appears.
3rd - when the installer starts to run, select 'Custom install' and point the installation at your dedicated folder, then let it do its thing.
4th - when it has finished installing, don't run it straight away. Go back into Windows Explorer and right click on your CFS2 folder. Select properties from the pop-up menu. Then set all the attributes to 'NOT read-only'.
5th - Click on the 'Security' tab at the top of the property box and ensure - by using the 'Edit' tab if necessary - that ALL users have full permissions, ie ALL the boxes for ALL users are ticked. You will need to be logged in as an administrator to carry this step out.
6th - Re-boot, and you should be good to go.

CFS2 is from roughly the same date as the MS Train sim and has much the same difficulties. I know the above works - my copy of MSTS is now running fine, all I need now is to find CD 1 from CFS 2. It's here somewhere, I hope !

Chris Cosgrove Smiley
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 5th, 2011 at 7:48pm

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Hi Chris,

I've just recently dived back into CFS2 after many years away (originally CFS2 with "Aces High," then IL-2 with "Aces High" for many years, and most recently flying FSX).

Anyway, your post re the Win7 install points are most valuable.  After perusing all 69 pages of this forum over the last couple of days (it was a blast, actually!), I'm going to be doing some multiple installs and will follow your points for the ones that come.

That said, when I installed CFS2 on my rig (Win 7 Home Premium, 64-bit; it's a very powerful machine, capable of running FSX at 25 FPS with virtually all bells & whistles on), I did a regular "auto install" into the default "Program Files (x86) folder.  It installed seamlessly.  I then laboriously manually replaced every folder in the game's root folder with all the saved ones I had left over from several years back -- all the add-on planes, scenery, ships, etc. 

Oddly enough, it worked, and the game has been running flawlessly since.  I have no idea why.  I do always choose "Run as Administrator" at start.

But, again like I said I thank you for your advice and plan to use it for my soon-to-come multiple installs.

P.S:  It's been quite an education reading (and printing out) some of the tutorials (thanks, Tango-Romeo!) and tips left over the years.

Moggy
 
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Reply #8 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:42am

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The forum can be worth it's weight in gold when you find a solution to a problem you've encountered.  After all, the sim has been around long enough for most of her quirks to be discovered.  Cool

Unfortunately, the issues with new operating systems continue to challenge the old girl.   Roll Eyes

I run a home network consisting of 3 XP machines and 1 Vista, but recently I have changed to 2 XP, 1 Vista and 1 Win7-64.  And I will be trying CFS2 on the newer machines myself soon.  Tongue
 

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Reply #9 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 7:29pm

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Hi Moggy,

Thanks for your kind words of appreciation. I still haven't found CD1 for CFS2, but having dealt with our tax returns, my desk is looking a bit clearer. Hope springs eternal !

Like you with CFS2, I had a similar experience with MSTS. I switched over to Win7 last December when my C:\ hard drive started making funny noises and I replaced it before it died. Not knowing any better, I did a straight install of MSTS, all the patches and all my add-ons - and everything worked ! Then six weeks ago I had a motherboard problem which resulted in a new board, and somewhere along the way my boot sector got corrupted and I ended up doing a complete Win7 re-install. When I got round to re-installing my sims - both flight and train - MSTS wouldn't work. Almost all this info came off the UKTrainSim forums - it seems to be a common problem there.

I never had these problems under XP, but putting a new harddrive in, it was only sensible to go with the current operating system.

I'm still looking for CD1 !

Regards,

Chris Cosgrove Smiley
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 1:51pm

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wish we could make an ISO file for backup purposes. Not sure if you can get this new anymore.
 

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Reply #11 - Jun 14th, 2011 at 12:44pm

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Hi, Brett, Moggy,

As it says in the Good Book, 'Rejoice, for that which was lost is found !'

CD1 was in one jewel box buried under a pile of software and CD2 had got itself tucked away in the box with a completely different simulator. I must get this place organised some day.

Anyway, I am happy to say that CFS2 is now installed and running on a Win7 64 bit machine - it even recognises my Cyborg Gold joystick.

I installed it into a folder called CFS 2 on my C:\ drive using the method outlined in my earlier post and it has worked a treat. I cannot swear that all these steps are necessary, but you cannot argue with success !

Now all I have to do is add the patches and add-ons I used to have installed and I can get back to flying a Beaufighter on anti-shipping missions in the Channel ( The English Channel, not the Pacific. )

Next project - to see if I can get CFS1 to run on this machine. So far, the scenery is there and AI aircraft, but the flyer aircraft just sits stubbornly on the runway. At least I know exactly where the install discs are. Cool

Best of luck,

Chris Cosgrove
 
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Reply #12 - Jun 15th, 2011 at 9:36am

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Thanks, Chris!  I am nearing the time that I'll have to install CFS2 on a Win7 64 system that I've added to my home network and am encouraged to hear of your success.  Wink

I love the Win7 system, which like all new OSs takes some getting accustomed to, but it is more stable and forgiving than either XP or Vista.  Cool
 

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Reply #13 - Jul 18th, 2011 at 9:43pm

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G'day All;

I didn't want to "flap my face" about Win7 & CFS2 until I had some first-hand experience:

Yesterday I installed CFS2 on my brand new PC. 
I have
Win7 Ultimate64 SP1
- CFS2 is installed in the default location:
"Program Files (x86)"
folder.

It installed normally & runs perfectly; smooth as glass.  Smiley

With an EVGA GTS450 1GB video card installed, framerates in the stock scenery are 120-350fps ... sometimes as high as 500 (in windowed mode with all image sliders maxed)


Attn: Tango;
- took the F4E to Haiphong Harbour last night and bombed the living crap out of it; got 2 MiG's & an SA-2!
Used the original scenery, clouds, exhaust effects plus "Blades Effects" package .... OH MY GAWD!!!  Shocked 
Framerates are in the 100-250fps range (up from 8-15fps on the old PC)  Shocked  Shocked
Vid card temp. never went above 45C  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
Looks like I can finally get back to work on Vietnam!

Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy
 

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Reply #14 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 10:28am

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Dirt,

I'm thinking about trying it on my Win7 box.   How is your joystick working on the new machine?  Wink
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 4:01pm

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Tango_Romeo wrote on Jul 20th, 2011 at 10:28am:
Dirt,

I'm thinking about trying it on my Win7 box.   How is your joystick working on the new machine?  Wink



No problemo!

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Stuck it into a USB hole & it works perfectly.  Smiley

Later I updated the drivers & installed the Logitech profiler software.


One great thing I've noticed about Win7; is that it contains virtually every generic driver you could ever need. This makes loading the OS a breeze!

I sent you & the rest of "the gang" (including Collin) a detailed description of the new box.


- Bruther Durt
 

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Reply #16 - Jul 22nd, 2011 at 1:45pm

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Dirtman what are the specks on your pc running CFS2. I am having problems with mine and am thinking about up grading.
 
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Reply #17 - Jul 23rd, 2011 at 7:39am

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roberthegf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2011 at 1:45pm:
Dirtman what are the specs on your pc running CFS2. I am having problems with mine and am thinking about up grading.


Yo Bob;

AMD Phenom II X4 810 AM3 (2.6GHz)
[similar architecture & performance as the Intel i7 3.0GHz chipset at 20% of the price]

Biostar N6853B mobo (2GHz FSB)
8GB Patriot - Sector5 (G series) PC10666/1333MHz Extreme Performance RAM
1TB Seagate SATA 3G
EVGA/NVidia GTS450 1GB GDDR5 Video Card
Thermaltake V2 mid-tower case
Thermaltake 450W P/S
Windows7 Ultimate SP1 (64bit)

The retail price of this unit is $480. (not including Win7)  I found several components on sale so my cost was $420 + tax.

Win7 rates this system @ 7.2 or 7.3 (out of 7.9)  Shocked

It's performance is INCREDIBLE!  2+ years ago I had to stop work on Vietnam-4-CFS2 due to intolerably low frame-rates (8-12 FPS) - now the same scenery displays in the 120-250 FPS range with the Image Quality MAXED!  HOLY CRAP!!!  Cheesy

Tested FS9 @ 60FPS & FSX at a solid 20FPS - both with the Image Quality set at Ultra High


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Reply #18 - Jul 23rd, 2011 at 11:22am

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With that systum I can run CFS2 with alot of trees and even make some real nice forest and still come out way ahead.If I used a 32 bit OS such as Vista home Premium or XP would I get the same frame rates or do I need to run a 64bit OS?
 
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Reply #19 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 11:43am

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roberthegf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2011 at 11:22am:
With that system I can run CFS2 with alot of trees and even make some real nice forest and still come out way ahead. If I used a 32 bit OS such as Vista home Premium or XP would I get the same frame rates or do I need to run a 64bit OS?


Yo Bob;

The problem is that XP will limit the system and only allow you to use 3GB of RAM (4GB MAX. if you tweak it)

4+ GB of RAM works fine in Vista/Win7 32 & 64Bit - the only limit is the max. amount of RAM your motherboard will support.

I cannot give you a definitive answer in regard to framerate differences in 32bit vs. 64bit as I have not tested this.

However if you consider that a 32bit o/s is like having your data driving down a 32 lane highway ... and a 64 bit o/s has 64 lanes; then you'd have twice the data volume. Theoretically; I would speculate the 64bit o/s should provide better framerates over the 32bit o/s.

I have been using Win7 for about 8 months. Last Nov. I picked up an old eMachine PC (produced in 2006).   It had XP Media Center (32bit) & had run very poorly over the previous 6 years. (slow & glitchy)  I loaded Win7 Ultimate 32bit and the PC ran: "smooth as glass". 

A couple of months later I realized I could run Win7 64bit on it (DUH!) ... once loaded: it ran even BETTER!  I noticed the average CPU usage dropped about 4% and RAM usage increased by approx. 7%.

The bottom line is that the 64bit o/s is much more capable and 32bit has become obsolete as has WinXP.
 

 

 

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Reply #20 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 8:24am

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Sorry it took so long to reply but real life things to take care of. Thanks for the info I will use it to inprove my playing of CFS2 and will upload missions with improved AI and scenery.
 
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