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Sep 5th, 2010 at 1:19pm

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Back in 1776 were these states of British? I mean after they after declaration independence did they became independent countries? ,they were call States of the union ,A union of a country name United States? or a deal among each other?
I know my question is confusing what exactly were these states ,Independent Countries? part of a country name Mexico? or France with Louisiana ,Like Aruba and Curacao that today belongs to Holland?
between 1776 and 1900 were those independent countries decided to be part of a single nation?

I have always ask myself this question and just found this on youtube,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLdQ4DUnnw4
yes that horn is annoying

I better explain my self
See this as and example,Venezuela also had and Independence day April 19 1810
and after that It becomes and independent country Before that was a Spanish colonies
Colombia had it too in April 20 1810 and becomes independent new country and not a colonies  from Spain (we also had our Washington hero which fought and release 6 countries, all independent countries today  Bolivar)
and so the rest of south American countries Brazil (which was a Portuguese Province, Chile,Argentina etc
when I ask this was once the state of New York or Washington, Texas once independent countries? 
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 2:01pm

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I googled 'Declaration of Independence'.

from Wikipedia:
"The United States Declaration of Independence is a statement adopted by the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, which announced that the thirteen American colonies then at war with Great Britain were now independent states, and thus no longer a part of the British Empire. Written primarily by Thomas Jefferson, the Declaration is a formal explanation of why Congress had voted on July 2 to declare independence from Great Britain, more than a year after the outbreak of the American Revolutionary War. The birthday of the United States of America—Independence Day—is celebrated on July 4, the day the wording of the Declaration was approved by Congress."

from me:
We declared our independence, but had to fight a war to obtain it.  The American Revolution ended in 1783, at that time we became our own country. 

Prior to that we were colonies of Great Britain, only Great Britain, no other country, and not independent states or countries, that is, each colony did not have separate sovereignity.  And prior to that, the French & Indian War decided the conflict between France and England as to the possession of the NorthEast, with Great Britain winning the territory. 

We purchased the Louisiana Territory from France in 1803 for 15 million dollars ($11.5m cash and the rest cancellation of debts).

The original 13 colonies were never part of Mexico or France.

That youtube video shows only when each state was admitted to the Union (Union=United States), it does not show the acquisition of the territory in which a given state was located.  For example, the State of Louisiana was within the Louisiana Territory, but was not admitted to the Union until 1812.

The State of New York was one of the original 13.  Texas was an independent republic before being admitted to the Union.  I don't know about Washington State.

None of the 50 states were 'independent countries' (in the literal definition of that term) before admission to the Union.  They were either a colony or part of a territory. 

Any further contributions to this subject or corrections of anything I said are welcome.  I browsed Wikipedia for most of this.
 
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Reply #2 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 2:32pm

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we have almost the same history ,see I fix up above and change the word province to Colonies (the wall of language Undecided you know)
we also have many wars against Spain to earn our independence in each colonies or part of territories  Colombia,Bolivia,Ecuador,Venezuela etc) but they became countries instead of of a single country ,That's why I got confuse. because I know Washington as Bolivar were the head in each time of these independence movement
Bolivar also had the Idea to Join the Colonies of Colombia,Venezuela and Ecuador and for and Instance were a single country name La gran Colombia (the great Colombia) between 1821 and 1831.
So Texas was the only independent territory, (I know about Alaska Hawaii and Puerto Rico)

this is interesting matter Thanks

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The original 13 colonies were never part of Mexico or France

By watching this the entire Mexico had to be also part of an Spain Colony states like Arizona, California,Florida are names written in Spanish language I assume these at some point these were part of Mexico area (areas taken by Spain) this also brings me a curiosity did The Union=USA at some point have to fight ALSO with Spain in USA territory?
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:19pm

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Apex wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 2:01pm:
I googled 'Declaration of Independence'.

from Wikipedia:
"The United States Declaration of Independence is a statement adopted by the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, which announced that the thirteen American colonies then at war with Great Britain were now independent states, and thus no longer a part of the British Empire. Written primarily by Thomas Jefferson, the Declaration is a formal explanation of why Congress had voted on July 2 to declare independence from Great Britain, more than a year after the outbreak of the American Revolutionary War. The birthday of the United States of America—Independence Day—is celebrated on July 4, the day the wording of the Declaration was approved by Congress."

from me:
We declared our independence, but had to fight a war to obtain it.  The American Revolution ended in 1783, at that time we became our own country. 

Prior to that we were colonies of Great Britain, only Great Britain, no other country, and not independent states or countries, that is, each colony did not have separate sovereignity.  And prior to that, the French & Indian War decided the conflict between France and England as to the possession of the NorthEast, with Great Britain winning the territory. 

We purchased the Louisiana Territory from France in 1803 for 15 million dollars ($11.5m cash and the rest cancellation of debts).

The original 13 colonies were never part of Mexico or France.

That youtube video shows only when each state was admitted to the Union (Union=United States), it does not show the acquisition of the territory in which a given state was located.  For example, the State of Louisiana was within the Louisiana Territory, but was not admitted to the Union until 1812.

The State of New York was one of the original 13.  Texas was an independent republic before being admitted to the Union.  I don't know about Washington State.

None of the 50 states were 'independent countries' (in the literal definition of that term) before admission to the Union.  They were either a colony or part of a territory. 

Any further contributions to this subject or corrections of anything I said are welcome.  I browsed Wikipedia for most of this.




Mexico never thought the Texas territory was
an independent republic. Mexican American war...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alamo
 

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Reply #4 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:49pm

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Steve M wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:19pm:
Mexico never thought the Texas territory was
an independent republic. Mexican American war...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alamo

Apparently, they still don't. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #5 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 5:17pm

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We didn't fight Spain until the Spanish -American War in 1899 (or so) but that was for Cuba and the Philippines (and Puerto Rico?), not any current state. We bought Florida from Spain, Texas won its own independence from Mexico, we won most of California, Arizona and New Mexico from Mexico after the Mexican-American War, and bought the rest of California, Arizona, and New Mexico from Mexico later. Most of the rest of the country, including Washington, was bought from France in the Louisiana Purchase.

Before 1776 we were 13 colonies of Great Britain, when we declared independence. Then we became 13 separate states with their own governments, under a central government in Philadelphia. We still had to write a constitution and win the war of independence, but we were basically an independent country by that point. I think France recognized us as such before 1783.
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 6:50pm

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United States Declaration of Independence

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The United States Declaration of Independence is a statement adopted by the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, which announced that the thirteen American colonies then at war with Great Britain were now independent states, and thus no longer a part of the British Empire ...


Articles of Confederation

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The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, customarily referred to as the Articles of Confederation, was the first constitution of the United States of America and specified how the national government was to operate. The Second Continental Congress appointed a committee to draft the Articles in June 1776 and sent the draft to the states for ratification in November 1777.  In practice, the Articles were in use beginning in 1777. The ratification process was completed in March 1, 1781. Under the Articles, the states retained sovereignty over all governmental functions not specifically relinquished to the national government ...

You wouldn't know it to look at state and federal governments in action but states have still retained sovereignty over all governmental functions not specifically relinquished to the national government ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.").

Each colony became a sovereign independent political unit on July 4, free to join the new union or to reject it.  Since it was their intention to join a union they tended to act as if they were already "the United States".

 
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Reply #7 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 5:42pm

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As I've stated somewhere here in the past years, we're 50 united countries of various sizes... along with some acquired territories. Hmmn... maybe we should have let T. Roosevelt remain atop San Juan.



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