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Embarrasingly Dumb question about non-precision approach (Read 846 times)
Jul 10th, 2010 at 4:00pm

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OK, so let us say that I'm flying an approach where I start the stopwatch at the FAF and time myself to the MAP.  In a GA plane I would be inclined to fly the final phase of that approach at either 90 knots or 120 knots groundspeed, exactly, because the chart has those timings.

Now, what if I'm flying a Heavy, and for my particular weight, my VREF +5 is 140 knots, just for the sake of example.  Do I do my own calculation, which is easy enough, or do I do adhere to the next highest speed category, which is 150? 

I guess what I'm asking, are the timings laid out on the chart just an additional convenience to help me know when I'm at the MAP, without having to punch anything into a calculator, or are those numbers more of a restriction, and I must adhere to them by placing myself into one of 5 distinct speed categories (a,b,c,d,e), conservatively using the closest one, rounded up? 

Obviously, by doing so I would be making a go-around decision at an artificial point in space, before I actually reach the MAP, but is that how it might be done?
 
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Reply #1 - Jul 10th, 2010 at 4:09pm

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My question already assumes ground speed is a known and has nothing to do with that or spatial awareness.  I'm talking about flying a heavy category aircraft that has a specific approach speed and very little flexibility around it.  Sure, if its a light twin, we will just fly the approach at a gs of 120 knots and then throw the flaps out to dirty up quickly, but if we are flying a jet.....

Basically, do the "regulations" allow me to calculate my own timing to the MAP? 
 
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Reply #2 - Jul 10th, 2010 at 4:55pm

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Yes.
 

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Reply #3 - Jul 10th, 2010 at 6:25pm

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WPadgett wrote on Jul 10th, 2010 at 4:55pm:
Yes.


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Just make up your own time as close to the middle as you can between 130 and 150 kts.  Make sure you do it in your approach breifing so you're ahead of the game.
 

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Reply #4 - Jul 11th, 2010 at 11:49am

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Fly your airplane at its proper final approach airspeed. Add or subtract the headwind or tailwind component. See where that ground speed falls (proportionally) between adjacent values given in the "FAF to MAP" table. Estimate the time based on the values in the "Min:Sec" row of the table.

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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 7:46am

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A big limitation to keep in mind, is that the visibility/ceiling limit for the highest speed on the chart. If you improvise a higher approach speed, you're effectively increasing those limits too. In other words.. a non-precision approach for a heavy/fast airplane, will be near VFR conditions. In other OTHER words.. if the conditions are at minimum for a slower airplane; the runway isn't even available to you.
 
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