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May 3rd, 2010 at 9:57am

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I'm sure this will be considered a really dumb question, but I have to ask. I am ever so slowly learning about all the little tidbits in FSX.....How to load freeware planes, helo's,scenery etc.. I am pretty good with most of that stuff but now am interested in this world of AI aircraft. I know they are planes that were installed by the developers to make the world more real. They are at various airports around the FS world. I would to add the correct planes and airlines to airports in my area. there seems to be alot of very confusing files concerning AI Aircraft. Is there a easy way of installing a couple of simple plane that take off and land somewhere without having to read a book on how to do it? any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley
 
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Reply #1 - May 3rd, 2010 at 2:40pm
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Here you go....

Download the installer:
http://www.world-of-ai.com/installer.html

Then download any package you wish, and have the installer handle it automatically.
http://www.world-of-ai.com/allpackages.php
 
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Reply #2 - May 3rd, 2010 at 9:53pm

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Since you are adding this to FSX you should be aware of a potential compatibility issue. Namely, WOAI traffic schedules are in FS9 format. They will work perfectly fine in FSX but as soon as any FS9 traffic is introduced to FSX, only the older format traffic will appear and all FSX traffic will ve disabled. The issue comes down to the fact that FSX can not display both types simultaneously. If you are OK with this, no problem. If not, there is a tool called AIFP (AI Flight Planner) that can open FS9 traffic files and save them in FSX format.

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Reply #3 - May 5th, 2010 at 12:19am

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FS9 and FSX schedules can coexist although in a very limited basis.

If you decide to keep the schedules in their native FS9 format I would suggest using AIFPC to fix the days of the week lag between FSX and FS9 as well as fix the FS9 airports that have either ceased to exist or changed ICAO codes since FSX.  You can keep the schedules in FS9 format and still perform the other two operations.

And while you're at it, check the wing_span = value in each Aircraft.cfg file.  A good resource is here: http://www.flightsim2004-fanatics.com/FlightSim/FSXWingSpanValues.htm
 
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Reply #4 - May 12th, 2010 at 1:05pm

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Thanks to you all for helping me. I will try the link you gave me.  Smiley
 
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Reply #5 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 1:39pm

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After extracting/unzipping the WOAI package, it gives me an ENC file.

Then I try to use AIFP to convert the file, but I am not sure what I am supposed to be looking for (file type). Also, AIFP only lets me open files in some locations in C: (Windows 7).
 
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Reply #6 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 3:28pm
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Don't extract the WOAI package. Just keep it the way it is after downloading, and select it with the installer.
 
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Reply #7 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:16am

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Don't extract the WOAI package. Just keep it the way it is after downloading, and select it with the installer.


Alright, thanks.

But I'm trying to convert they files into FSX format using AIFP. However, it will only allow me to access certain locations in C: and this does not include Users.

And also, should I convert the zipped file when using AIFP?
 
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Reply #8 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 4:31am

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Andy7212 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:16am:
But I'm trying to convert they files into FSX format using AIFP. However, it will only allow me to access certain locations in C: and this does not include Users.

The logical answer would be to download/extract the files to a location that it can access.

I've not installed AI traffic to FSX so can't give further advice.

Edit: I've just successfully installed the WOAI EasyJet package to FSX. The WOAI Installer has a manual installation option. I extracted the files to a new folder I created on my C: drive named C:\FSX Traffic files\Easyjet
I then located the new Traffic_000_WoA_Easyjet_Su09.bgl & converted it for FSX with the latest AIFP. The converted BGL file can be saved to whichever location you wish before moving it to your FSX\Scenery\World\Scenery folder. (If you use this method don't forget to install the extracted AI aircraft.)

Note: This works fine in WinXP. I have no knowledge of Vista/Windows 7.
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Reply #9 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:33pm

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Thanks Hagar. I think I've figured out the problem. Windows 7 doesn't let you mess with stuff in C:\ so I can't open stuff in there via AIFP. However, AIFP can only access stuff in C:\, if I am not mistaken.
 
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Reply #10 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:35pm

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Andy7212 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:33pm:
Thanks Hagar. I think I've figured out the problem. Windows 7 doesn't let you mess with stuff in C:\ so I can't open stuff in there via AIFP. However, AIFP can only access stuff in C:\, if I am not mistaken.


Right Click on C:\ > Properties > Security and give permission to your user account to have full control over everything in C:\.
 

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Reply #11 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 4:49pm

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usapatriot wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:35pm:
Andy7212 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:33pm:
Thanks Hagar. I think I've figured out the problem. Windows 7 doesn't let you mess with stuff in C:\ so I can't open stuff in there via AIFP. However, AIFP can only access stuff in C:\, if I am not mistaken.


Right Click on C:\ > Properties > Security and give permission to your user account to have full control over everything in C:\.


Ahhhh...beautiful. Thanks a lot Cheesy I'm a bit of a fail at this kind of stuff :/

Yes, more questions...where do I find the .bgl file?
 
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Reply #12 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 4:51pm

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Andy7212 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 4:49pm:
usapatriot wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:35pm:
Andy7212 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:33pm:
Thanks Hagar. I think I've figured out the problem. Windows 7 doesn't let you mess with stuff in C:\ so I can't open stuff in there via AIFP. However, AIFP can only access stuff in C:\, if I am not mistaken.


Right Click on C:\ > Properties > Security and give permission to your user account to have full control over everything in C:\.


Ahhhh...beautiful. Thanks a lot Cheesy I'm a bit of a fail at this kind of stuff :/

Yes, more questions...where do I find the .bgl file?


Which BGL files? The one WOAI installs? It's in the Flight Simulator X folder under Scenery > World > Scenery.

Remember, not all the files in there belong to WOAI so don't modify anything that WOAI didn't put in there. The files labeled "Traffic_000_WoA....etc" tend to be the ones from WOAI.
 

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Reply #13 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 5:25pm

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usapatriot wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 4:51pm:
Andy7212 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 4:49pm:
usapatriot wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:35pm:
Andy7212 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:33pm:
Thanks Hagar. I think I've figured out the problem. Windows 7 doesn't let you mess with stuff in C:\ so I can't open stuff in there via AIFP. However, AIFP can only access stuff in C:\, if I am not mistaken.


Right Click on C:\ > Properties > Security and give permission to your user account to have full control over everything in C:\.


Ahhhh...beautiful. Thanks a lot Cheesy I'm a bit of a fail at this kind of stuff :/

Yes, more questions...where do I find the .bgl file?


Which BGL files? The one WOAI installs? It's in the Flight Simulator X folder under Scenery > World > Scenery.

Remember, not all the files in there belong to WOAI so don't modify anything that WOAI didn't put in there. The files labeled "Traffic_000_WoA....etc" tend to be the ones from WOAI.


Sorry, maybe I should have made my question clearer: Where do I find the BGL files after I download the package?
 
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Reply #14 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:43pm

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Andy7212 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 5:25pm:
Sorry, maybe I should have made my question clearer: Where do I find the BGL files after I download the package?

Run the zipped package through the WOAI Installer. The new traffic BGL file will be extracted to your FSX\Scenery\World\Scenery folder unless you select manual installation & send it to a different location. It will be named something like Traffic_000_WoA_Easyjet_Su09.bgl

Now run the extracted BGL file through AIFP. Files > Convert FS9 Traffic Files to FSX
Select the "Add _FSX suffix to FSX Traffic Files" option. Click Convert
Choose a location to send the converted file to, then paste it into your FSX\Scenery\World\Scenery folder. Remember to delete the original FS9 BGL file. (This will have the same file name as the converted BGL without the _FSX suffix.)
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 7:32pm

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I got it all figured out now.

Thanks a lot to everyone who helped out with me and putting up with my noob-ness Tongue
 
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Reply #16 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:48pm

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I apologize for my constant double posting, but I have another problem Sad

So in my case, the first WOAI package I installed (manually) was FRONTIER. It includes an A319 aircraft. The folder name is WoA_DJC_A319_CFM. Then I install an Air Canada package which also contains a WoA_DJC_A319_CFM folder. What do I do?

I've tried only adding Air Canada textures to the original folder, as well as merging the two (some of the files have to be renamed like xyz(2)), but neither of these work.
 
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Reply #17 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:55pm

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Andy7212 wrote on Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:48pm:
I apologize for my constant double posting, but I have another problem Sad

No need to apologise.

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So in my case, the first WOAI package I installed (manually) was FRONTIER. It includes an A319 aircraft. The folder name is WoA_DJC_A319_CFM. Then I install an Air Canada package which also contains a WoA_DJC_A319_CFM folder. What do I do?

I've tried only adding Air Canada textures to the original folder, as well as merging the two (some of the files have to be renamed like xyz(2)), but neither of these work.

Should be a case of pasting all the AI aircraft included with a package into the FSX\SimObjects\airplanes folder. Overwrite files/folders if prompted. That's what the WOAI Installer would do if you used the automatic install.

I'll download the files to check them out for you.

Edit. OK. It seems the Installer automatically updates the Aircraft.cfg files of previously installed aircraft with any new texture variations. Unless it has problems with Windows 7 it might be easier to forget the manual install & let it extract the packages direct to FSX.
 

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Reply #18 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 8:28pm

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It is different for Windows 7, because it doesn't let the program change stuff in C:\ so I am unable to use the automatic install.

Is there another possible solution?
 
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Reply #19 - Jul 26th, 2010 at 2:32am

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Andy7212 wrote on Jul 25th, 2010 at 8:28pm:
It is different for Windows 7, because it doesn't let the program change stuff in C:\ so I am unable to use the automatic install.

Is there another possible solution?

You could possibly fool the installer by setting up a dummy install of FSX in a different location. I'll check it out when I have a moment. Otherwise you would have to manually edit Aircraft.cfg which could be difficult with so many different variations.

I understand the problem with editing files in Windows 7 is usually confined to applications in C:\Program Files which is the default location for FS. The best solution would be to install FSX to a different location like C:\FSX. Perhaps someone with Windows 7 can confirm this.
 

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Reply #20 - Jul 26th, 2010 at 6:53am

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Right. I tried the dummy folder & it works fine. Here's what you do:

First create a new folder to use as a dummy FSX directory in any suitable location. Name it anything you wish. Mine is C:\FSX_Dummy

The WOAI installer looks for fsx.exe so find the file in the FSX root directory. Paste a copy of fsx.exe into your dummy directory.

Run the Installer & set the FSX path to your dummy directory. Click on the [..] button then navigate to the folder & select fsx.exe as in my shot below.
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Now select your AI packages & extract them to this directory. When you've finished the AI aircraft should be ready to paste to your FSX. It might be an idea to copy the aircraft folders rather than move them. Leave the  originals in the dummy directory in case you wish to add further WOAI traffic at a later date. (Don't forget to convert the Traffic BGL files with AIFP before installing them.)

Note: I'm not sure it's necessary to go to all this bother but with no knowledge of Vista/Windows 7 I can't check it out.
 

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Reply #21 - Jul 26th, 2010 at 12:51pm

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Works like a charm Hagar. Thanks so much Smiley
 
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Reply #22 - Jul 26th, 2010 at 12:53pm

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Excellent. Glad I could help. Smiley
 

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