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Feb 12th, 2010 at 4:05pm

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/vancouver_2010/luge/8513595.stm

Video (be quick, they might delete this one too)
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/829051/d0045fb7/rodelcrash.html

He hit an iron support pole just after losing control in a corner while going 140kmh

Besides this crash, two athletes were hospitalized after crashing on the same track (but not in that corner)
 

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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 4:29pm

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I wouldn't be surprised if the course is either changed, or some form of restriction or cancellation put in. Its one of if not the most dangerous courses in the world. Yes it's about a challenge considering, but there are limits.
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 4:48pm

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I am going to say this once. In the beginning of the olympics the competion was about the every day joe competeing with the average joe. In the beginning luge was not heard of. Pro hockey players.. unheard of. There are tons of examples of events that have been added into the in recent years for box office. Luge was one of them.. I feel very sorry for this man and his family and friends. But the minute a person lays down on his back, feet first, on a sled, gains ground speeds of 120 kilometers per hour in an aerodynamic bodysuit with only a fiberglass cup and a helmet secured by velcro straps.. Well who is really going to win. The metal pole of course.  Smiley   
 

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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 11:15pm

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Steve M wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 4:48pm:
In the beginning of the olympics the competion was about the every day joe competeing with the average joe. In the beginning luge was not heard of. Pro hockey players.. unheard of. 

I hear they are going to add golf.  Joe Timbuktu v. Tiger Woods.  How exciting.
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 11:40pm

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Didn't there use to be a law that US pro athletes couldn't compete, until we started getting beat by countries that didn't have that law?
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2010 at 3:58am

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specter177 wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 11:40pm:
Didn't there use to be a law that US pro athletes couldn't compete, until we started getting beat by countries that didn't have that law?

This wasn't confined to the US. The modern Olympic Games was restricted to amateurs until fairly recently. Some countries regularly "bent" the rules in order to win & the whole Olympic ideal went out of the window.

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/amateur-ideals-and-olympic-realities
"Sportspeople from the Communist countries which competed at the Olympics from 1952 were in effect full-time athletes, despite being nominally students, soldiers or otherwise employed. Western Europeans – and New Zealanders – forced to train in their spare time resented the success of the Soviets and East Germans. For their part, many American sporting stars received lucrative college scholarships."

In 1986 the IOC voted to allow professionals to compete in the Olympics. In the same year it was decided to separate the Summer & Winter Games and hold them on alternating even-numbered years. The first separate Winter Olympics was held in 1994 at Lillehammer, Norway.
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2010 at 6:22pm

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specter177 wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 11:40pm:
Didn't there use to be a law that US pro athletes couldn't compete, until we started getting beat by countries that didn't have that law?

Im pretty sure after the 1980 USA Hockey team that won gold also known as the Miracle when they beat the Soviets was the last time they didnt allow professionals to participate because if you've ever seen the film Miracle it says at the end...after the 1980 Olympics they started allowing professionals to play.

I sort of wish they didnt because it would be funner to watch, there would be bigger upsets, and maybe more people would watch just like when the 1980 U.S. Hockey Team's Gold was a huge deal to the U.S. and we dont even like hockey.

As for the video, its horrible it got released. I saw it on youtube, just a horrible horrible accident  Cry Very scary
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 14th, 2010 at 2:31am

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I found this extremely sad.  Rest in peace warrior, you died doing what you loved, representing your country, giving everything you had.  A split second...man  Cry
 

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Reply #8 - Feb 14th, 2010 at 12:37pm

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I don't pop in here often but because this is regarding the tragic death of the Georgian luger I have something to say.

I watched the video of his accident and I couldn't believe it. He was a real athlete. This lost affected everyone.
 

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a1 wrote on Feb 14th, 2010 at 12:37pm:
I watched the video of his accident and I couldn't believe it. He was a real athlete. This lost affected everyone.

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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2010 at 2:37pm

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This was really sad. As for the video, I was not surprised it was released because there are a lot of people that would want to see it, but I was surprised to see it on TV. It's all about ratings as far as that goes, but it looks like it hurt them because last night they announced that they will not show it again on TV.

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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2010 at 3:04pm

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Anyone following the events will know that the men are launching off from the women's start position which hopes to lower the overall speed by something like 10kph over the track.

A very nasty accident which seems doesn't seem to be down to the track - that part of the track was exposed, but they probably didn't see it as a high risk area. The corners have better guards on them. The only solution to this I can see is putting a bubble over the entire track, but I don't think they will. There were some other close calls yesterday where a few people hit the top of the long corner. Some people blame those new collisions due to the change in the start position. The athletes are used to memorising the track and suddenly their speed has been completely changed making them sometimes unstable.


Sad, but they died doing what they loved and they died doing it for their country.
 

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machineman9 wrote on Feb 14th, 2010 at 3:04pm:
Anyone following the events will know that the men are launching off from the women's start position which hopes to lower the overall speed by something like 10kph over the track.

A very nasty accident which seems doesn't seem to be down to the track - that part of the track was exposed, but they probably didn't see it as a high risk area. The corners have better guards on them. The only solution to this I can see is putting a bubble over the entire track, but I don't think they will. There were some other close calls yesterday where a few people hit the top of the long corner. Some people blame those new collisions due to the change in the start position. The athletes are used to memorising the track and suddenly their speed has been completely changed making them sometimes unstable.


Sad, but they died doing what they loved and they died doing it for their country.


For today's luge event I noticed a considerable speed difference from the training run that went wrong. Still a very dangerous sport.
 

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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2010 at 10:27pm

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Kumaritashvili was scared of the track:

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Luger-wh...

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Since his death, many people have debated whether the track was too fast or the relatively inexperienced luger was out of his element. A number of Olympic lugers think the track was fine. They fault Kumaritashvili – a sentiment shared by luging officials who deemed the track safe (even while hypocritically lowering the starting location and adding pads to the metal beams that caused the death).


Even if he made a mistake (probably a combo of both), this shouldn't have been a fatal accident. Unfortunately this could have been prevented by something as simple as a plywood wall, which is in place now.  Cry

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Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2010 at 2:49am

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They're still breaking 90mph  Shocked  I don't drive that fast on the highway in an airbag surrounded fully enclosed SUV...talk about brass ones....
 

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Reply #15 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 1:59am

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B-Valvs wrote on Feb 14th, 2010 at 2:37pm:
This was really sad. As for the video, I was not surprised it was released because there are a lot of people that would want to see it, but I was surprised to see it on TV. It's all about ratings as far as that goes, but it looks like it hurt them because last night they announced that they will not show it again on TV.

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I think your wrong. They wont show the video anymore in respect now that he has passed away. You never show a video of someones death. The fact that he was in the hospital on life support and for them to play the video (which is when they did) is just stupid too. I dont think it hurt their views though. I mean realisticly if anyone was to say "Hey did you watch the Olympics last night?"..."No I dont watch them anymore because they played the video of the luge accident, so im not going to watch anymore events" would be pretty funny and stupid.  Grin
 
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Reply #16 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 2:01am

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What makes the story even more sad...he called his Dad the day before saying he was scared of the track, one of the turns scared him. His dad told him he should put his feet down on the ice to slow him down on that turn, but that once he started down the track that he would finish because he knows his son is brave. Sad

http://www.aolnews.com/article/father-nodar-kumaritashvili-luger-who-died-was-sc...
 
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tcco94 wrote on Feb 16th, 2010 at 1:59am:
B-Valvs wrote on Feb 14th, 2010 at 2:37pm:
This was really sad. As for the video, I was not surprised it was released because there are a lot of people that would want to see it, but I was surprised to see it on TV. It's all about ratings as far as that goes, but it looks like it hurt them because last night they announced that they will not show it again on TV.

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I think your wrong. They wont show the video anymore in respect now that he has passed away. You never show a video of someones death. The fact that he was in the hospital on life support and for them to play the video (which is when they did) is just stupid too. I dont think it hurt their views though. I mean realisticly if anyone was to say "Hey did you watch the Olympics last night?"..."No I dont watch them anymore because they played the video of the luge accident, so im not going to watch anymore events" would be pretty funny and stupid.  Grin


However, they played it after he had already died, and it could hurt their ratings because people may be scared to see an accident like that live after seeing the replay of the video, but this discussion isn't really what this thread is about.

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B-Valvs wrote on Feb 16th, 2010 at 9:51pm:
tcco94 wrote on Feb 16th, 2010 at 1:59am:
B-Valvs wrote on Feb 14th, 2010 at 2:37pm:
This was really sad. As for the video, I was not surprised it was released because there are a lot of people that would want to see it, but I was surprised to see it on TV. It's all about ratings as far as that goes, but it looks like it hurt them because last night they announced that they will not show it again on TV.

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I think your wrong. They wont show the video anymore in respect now that he has passed away. You never show a video of someones death. The fact that he was in the hospital on life support and for them to play the video (which is when they did) is just stupid too. I dont think it hurt their views though. I mean realisticly if anyone was to say "Hey did you watch the Olympics last night?"..."No I dont watch them anymore because they played the video of the luge accident, so im not going to watch anymore events" would be pretty funny and stupid.  Grin


However, they played it after he had already died, and it could hurt their ratings because people may be scared to see an accident like that live after seeing the replay of the video, but this discussion isn't really what this thread is about.

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Oh, I wasnt aware they did when he was dead too. Just to play that video when he was still in the hospital is stupid. The scene of that will always be in my mind.  Undecided
 
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BigTruck wrote on Feb 15th, 2010 at 2:49am:
They're still breaking 90mph  Shocked  I don't drive that fast on the highway in an airbag surrounded fully enclosed SUV...talk about brass ones....

When the women look like men, you know you've got a class A risky sport  Grin

The skiing today was pretty risky too with several nasty falls. It just goes to show how small the margin for error is and how far you need to push yourself to excel.


Edit: If you're looking for the brass of all brass, check the blind skiers in the paraolympic games. That stuff's just insane  Shocked
 

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machineman9 wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 at 4:40pm:
BigTruck wrote on Feb 15th, 2010 at 2:49am:
They're still breaking 90mph  Shocked  I don't drive that fast on the highway in an airbag surrounded fully enclosed SUV...talk about brass ones....

When the women look like men, you know you've got a class A risky sport  Grin

The skiing today was pretty risky too with several nasty falls. It just goes to show how small the margin for error is and how far you need to push yourself to excel.


Edit: If you're looking for the brass of all brass, check the blind skiers in the paraolympic games. That stuff's just insane  Shocked

This is why the Winter olympics will always be my prefered choice.
It's a sad accident no doubt, Its a shame they took the actions they did to reduce the speed rather than just fix the problem.  But safety takes precident in such a high profile situation.

The Ski'ing is insane. I know the course is one of the toughest in the world, but coupled with it being made tougher by the weather conditions, someone will end up badly hurt by the end of it. Fingers crossed i am wrong, but the winners of the events will deserve their medals more than usual.
 
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Craig. wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 at 7:25pm:
This is why the Winter olympics will always be my prefered choice.
It's a sad accident no doubt, Its a shame they took the actions they did to reduce the speed rather than just fix the problem.  But safety takes precident in such a high profile situation.

The Ski'ing is insane. I know the course is one of the toughest in the world, but coupled with it being made tougher by the weather conditions, someone will end up badly hurt by the end of it. Fingers crossed i am wrong, but the winners of the events will deserve their medals more than usual.

I'm glad they set the lads off from the womens, and the women off from the juniors rather than stopping the event entirely. It is just a quick response to the event rather than closing it down. It is terrible that it happened, but that comes with taking such great risks. It will definately help aid the safety of future events and improve the safety of the sports as a whole. The only fix I can think of is the bubble method, sticking plastic tubing over the entire track to make it into a sort of flume (now there's an idea for the summer games) but health and safety may not like it if it means they can't get to the racer, and visually it might impair the sport.

As found in the skiing, lumps on the snow can produce nasty consequences when you're sliding over small jumps on your back, head first. Again, this will help to aid the safety of the sport if the organisers know what to look out for in order to help protect the competitors.

Whenever anyone crashes or underperforms I still remind myself and others that they may have done the 'worst' but that is only relative to their competitors and they are the finest in the sport in the world. Pushing it is the only way to come to victory and sometimes it doesn't pay off, if that means skidding your luge as some people have done, falling off your skis or, unfortunately, paying the ultimate price.
 

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the thing is the majority of the riders didn't want the start changed. It was a knee jerk reaction to what happend.
 
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