Simviation Forum - should i overclock

Apr 7^th, 2005 at 3:18pm

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should i overclock here are som specs
intel(r) pentium(r) 4 cpu 3.00 ghz (2 cpus)
(ram)1024mb

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Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2005 at 6:15pm

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Ok, first off. When you say you have two pentium CPU's, do you mean two logical CPU's (through hyper-threading) or two physical CPU's (4 logical CPU"s with hyperthreading).

I'm assuming you don't know how to o/c. I would not recommend it if you are new to this. It can ruin your computer very easily and quickly, especially if you are using stock cooling. In addition, make sure your RAM is the same FSB as the CPU.

With that said:
The multipliers, core voltages, and FSB can be modified via the BIOS. Consult your mobo manual on how to access it; its different on all computers.

Eseentially, raising these values will make your computer go faster. Finding the right balence is key.

Should you overclock??
Well, thats up to you. For a newbie, its very risky. If done successfully, the results are worth it.

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Reply #2 - Apr 8^th, 2005 at 11:57am

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I overclocked my video card a little but I personally not gonna touch the CPU only because I havent ever done it and dont have the money to fix it if it goes wrong. Just read up and take your time Alot of people I now do it but I'm scared Grin

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Reply #3 - Apr 8^th, 2005 at 12:45pm

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ok thats something to try with my old pc i ant touching my new one Tongue

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Reply #4 - Apr 8^th, 2005 at 2:26pm

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As Autopilot says, if you have to ask how, I really would'nt bother.

A 3.0ghz p4 will give more than enough performance with FS9 - when matched to a decent Graphics card, you can overclock cpu's all you want, but, if your card can't cut the Mustard, then no overclocks will really reap any benefits.

Me I'm more than happy with my 2.6c p4, which will happily overclock to 3.2ghz!!! - point being, I get little or no noticable difference between overclocked or not, thus, I'm staying @ 2.6ghz.

If however you insist on trying, start here. http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=article&dId=436&dPage=1

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Reply #5 - Apr 10^th, 2005 at 1:27pm

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Yeah, I rember my first CPU oc....was a 2 Mhz OC and boy was I relved it worked, now im hooked.... it will prolly end u costing you more money to OC than a new cpu in the long run lol...

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Reply #6 - Apr 11^th, 2005 at 4:38am

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The addiciton is the scary bit! I can't get more than 250mhz more out of my 64 3000+ with stock cooling tho. Im happy!
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Reply #7 - Apr 11^th, 2005 at 10:08am

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So, Tombi,

Do you really have 2 cpu's in there?

They/It are/is the little flat thing/s under the big fan/s..... Wink

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Reply #8 - Apr 11^th, 2005 at 11:17pm

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So, Tombi,

Do you really have 2 cpu's in there?

They/It are/is the little flat thing/s under the big fan/s..... Wink

I'm think he has two logical processors from a single cpu with hyper threading. Dual cpu setup with p4 doesn't sound right. Xeons are better for dual cpu.

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Reply #9 - Apr 12^th, 2005 at 10:53am

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its a pretty meaty setup i have the capacity to run fs9 15 times at once if they would let you do it

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Reply #10 - Apr 14^th, 2005 at 6:22am

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Well if its so 'meaty' the why OC it?

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Reply #11 - Apr 14^th, 2005 at 9:49pm

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its a pretty meaty setup i have the capacity to run fs9 15 times at once if they would let you do it

I seriously doubt that. I mean, you'd have to set it to very low settings and turn off all traffic.

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Reply #12 - Apr 15^th, 2005 at 2:32am

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without ai traffic of course and i probaly couldnt fly the plane

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Reply #13 - Apr 15^th, 2005 at 11:46pm

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Well if its so 'meaty' the why OC it?

Really! With those specs, you should be getting some very good results. I've tried some minor tweaking of my system (1.2GHz CPU and less than 1GB RAM), and decided it's too risky with stock cooling...I'm now planning to upgrade mobo/CPU and RAM and just enjoy flying.
However, I've found OC'ing the graphics card (with nVidia's program) then cleaning up my install of XP was a good compromise. Still pretty clunky in dense-scenery areas, but much better than before.

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Reply #14 - May 23^rd, 2005 at 9:20pm

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If it's that powerful a system then there's no need to overclock it. If you aren't getting the FPS you need to make flying smooth then something else is causing the problem. Look at your video card, RAM, FSB or AGP speed. Something is causing a traffic jam and it isn't the processor. 3.0 should be enough to handle FS 2004 easily in most circumstances.

People get caught up trying to render fantastic FPS but don't realize that past a certain point there's no noticeable difference. 50 FPS is no worse than 500 if you see fluid movement. Lock your FPS to just fast enough that you can't see the screen update and save the extra computing power for other stuff like guage updating or graphic quality.

Now if you want to overclock just for the heck of it then go ahead and overclock but just make sure you are willing to buy a new processor and/or graphics card and MB if you make a mistake and fry something. First however make sure you read everything about what to do and what not to do before proceeding and that you understand what you have read and what you are doing.

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Reply #15 - May 25^th, 2005 at 10:34pm

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I'm new here, but have had MSFS for a few years and have been on a few MSFS forums. I have heard nothing but "WARNING!" when it comes to overclocking. For every guy out there that says he has no problems, there seems to be two or three that have cooked their CPUs.

Avsim has a nice tweak (maybe here too....?) to take advantage of Pentium's HT technology.....I would suggest that tweak before putting your CPU at risk by overclocking.......unless you have disposable funds.

Good luck!

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Reply #16 - May 25^th, 2005 at 10:40pm

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Those 2 or 3 people are idoits who are probably just looking at the voltage indicator and saying hmm lets bring that to the highest level.

If you know what your doing, then overclocking is very safe. Plus, CPU's now have thermal protection and will underclock themselves automatically to prevent overheating. In some instances this saftey may not work, but I've been overclocking for years and never cooked a CPU...unintentionally.

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Reply #17 - May 25^th, 2005 at 11:38pm

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"never cooked a CPU...unintentionally"
he he he....

I almost included the fact that some that fried their CPUs probably did so out of their own ignorance. I was hoping the OP would either recognize this, due to his knowledge or not recognize this due to lack of said knowledge. There are many "levels" here and when someone (with lots of experience) sais "it's easy", it might lead someone with less experience to believe that it is easy for them as well.

"Know your limitations"

I guess I'm curious (forgive my ignorance of grasping the "big picture" when it comes to PCs and PC companies) as why companies don't OC their own product. Overclock it, add whatever (cooling/safety features) and label it "faster". You know....."it's a 3.6 system but runs as fast as a 4.0 system and is completely safe."

I'm guessing it's like running a 6 cylinder engine (meant for 85mph) at 120mph....it will eventually catch up with it's life expectancy. That and the fact that someone who OCs there CPU anyway probably wouldn't be caught dead with a 2 year old CPU almost answers my own question..........? I've got to stop drinking when I'm thinking of things I barely comprehend....oh well, cheers!

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Reply #18 - May 26^th, 2005 at 12:04am

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"never cooked a CPU...unintentionally"
he he he....

I can tell some fabulous stories of what happens when CPU's get too hot...

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I guess I'm curious (forgive my ignorance of grasping the "big picture" when it comes to PCs and PC companies) as why companies don't OC their own product. Overclock it, add whatever (cooling/safety features) and label it "faster". You know....."it's a 3.6 system but runs as fast as a 4.0 system and is completely safe."

Actually, companies do do that to give their products an edge. Examples include alienware, dell, etc. Even some OEM parts come overclocked a bit. Abit mobo have their FSB slightly raised to give their mobo an advantage in benchmarks. XFX and leadtek overclock their video cards a bit too, again, for benchmark competitiveness.

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