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Oct 8^th, 2004 at 10:52pm

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Currently I have 512 dual channel ram. I have a nvidia 6800gt card with an athlon 64 3200 processor. My fps is around the 20's. If I upgrade to 1 gig of dual channel ram is my fps gonna be like alot better. ITs like $200 so i dont want to waste my money. if I pay $200 for 10 more fps then it really isnt worth it. If im gonna get about 17-25 more fps then its definently worth it. What do u think? Should I buy it or will it be just throwing my very few $ into the garbage? THanks

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Reply #1 - Oct 9^th, 2004 at 3:02am

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Save your money. You're not going to see much difference between 25 fps and 35.

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Reply #2 - Oct 9^th, 2004 at 10:04am

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Well you wont see that big an increase in FPS I am afraid. Your system will work better though and load times should be faster.

A lot of newer games coming out like Far Cry and Doom3 all really like 1gig of ram too. Soon 1gig will be the norm for a home PC.

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Reply #3 - Oct 9^th, 2004 at 10:44am

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bout 2 gig?

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Reply #4 - Oct 9^th, 2004 at 11:06am

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2gig is major overkill at the moment. 1gig is just right IMO for intense gaming and general use.

If you were doing masses of video editing or huge 3d graphical modelling then 2gig would be worth while. Otherwise big waste of money! You would be better off putting it towards a better g/card.

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Reply #5 - Oct 9^th, 2004 at 2:03pm

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Tanner, how many of the memory slots you have are in use at the moment? Dual channel only works when you have 2 identical DIMM modules in the slots that support dual-channel (Interleave) mode

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Reply #6 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 12:10am

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Yea i have 2 slots and 2 sticks of 512 in. SO i geuss 2 gig is a no no then. I have centon gemini desktop pc 3200 (ddr400) ram. Whats a really really good type of 1 gig ram that will get my pc faster? And gixer what do u mean get a better graphics card! I have the top of the line. The only card better is the ultra. Once i get water cooling in this sucker then im gonna clock my card to past ultra speeds and overclock my standard 3200 2.0 gig comp to 2.4 gig. Havent triied to clock it to 2.5 yet but i can run it at 2.4 with no crahses just major heat. IS heat the only factor in ocing?? If I get water cooling can i overclock my pc to the max without destroying anything? I though heat was the only thing u have to worry about. But if i overclock it to much are there any factors to worry about? Thanks

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Reply #7 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 1:25am

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But if i overclock it to much are there any factors to worry about?

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Reply #8 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 3:18am

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512 is as large as you can get in non-registred...
1024 could be possible, but these are very rare (i haven't seen one yet) and expensive

The problem is that you run out of adress space on the connector when putting more than 512MB on one DIMM. extra components are needed to put more on the module, but the mobo needs to support these additions.

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Reply #9 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 6:40am

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What mobo do you have for a start? Some mobos dont like particular makes of ram. OCZ ram is meant to be pretty good, I would go fo the enhanced bandwidth stuff myself, I also heard Crucial Ballistix stuff is meant to be ok. Though you still wanna find out if your mobo is happy with whatever you buy.

As for water cooling, scares me to much! one leek and poof there goes your rig Sad

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I didn't pay the amount I did for my g/card to rip it apart and void my warranty. Thats the reason I got the Ultra I have upped speeds to 450/1200 on air no probs and it runs sweet. Be interesting to see what your 3dMark 03 score will be on that card when clocked compared to mine.

Overclocking is ok, but you usually get more heat and for stability a bit more voltage is usually required. This could reduce the life of the CPU slightly but I would say you would have probably upgraded before it ever failed!

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Reply #10 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 8:01am

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Gixer, only server chipsets accept registered DIMM modules, the normal boards don't work with it...

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Reply #11 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 8:14am

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Gixer, only server chipsets accept registered DIMM modules, the normal boards don't work with it...

I think you can use registered RAM with desktop boards, I may be wrong, but I don't think I am..... Undecided

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Reply #12 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 8:39am

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The ram i listed isn't registered stuff. I have never had a mobo that uses registered ram. Corsair do 1gig sticks of PC3200 stuff, thats the only make I know that do off the top of my head.

When I say some makes of mobo dont like certain ram I dont mean registered stuff, just you normal DDR stuff. Think I am confusing you all Grin

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Reply #13 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 9:30am

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You don't need registered RAM for a home system, it is only intended for servers, it is a waste of money and performance to get registered RAM and use it in a desktop machine.

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Reply #14 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 11:19am

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Thanks for your help guys

Ok so gixer like you said if i had someway to keep my comp really cool and am able to clock it to the max there wont be any other danger factors (am i rihgt?). I tried downloading the gixer mark thing and it said 8 hours to complete!!! right then i just shut it. Alot of comps have water cooling but ive never heard of one that gets a leak in it. As fo ram. My mobo can support up to 2 gig. The mobo i have is the Guru KV8 pro. Thanks

Water cooling unit either
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod1345.htm

or this
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ex-wat-25.html

I would like to know which one is better and if my computer averages 35 C (unclocked) and about 55C - 60C fully loaded (I only did that once) how much will the water cooling bring it down if i have 2 tubes flowing into the motherboard? Thanks

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Reply #15 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 12:45pm

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Water cooling is a bit above me. I haven't ever set it up so wouldn't know.

Any overclocking can shorten the life of your PC parts it deosnt matter how cool they are kept. The cpu will be doing more than its designed to do and will more than likely have more voltage going through it than standard.

I believe when you do rig up watercooling you have to do a leak test, for obvious reasons. Water and electrics IMO ar a no no. I just air cool, I run 50C max at full load in summer, down to about 45C now its gettin cooler. Its all to do with airflow.

If you are going to overclock you really need some benchmark programs though. Sometimes overclocking can cause throttling or smothing you do make your system run outta synch, so even though you have high MHz etc your system is running like a heap of junk.

For example My system as below scored 24000 or somthin in 3dMark01.

I overclocked my CPU to 2600MHz so a lot faster than it is Grin

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to do this though I had to run the ram out of synch. Thus my bench score went down to just under 20000! Big numbers dont always mean good results and you need somthing that will show you what tweeks you are making make an improvement.

The 6800 cards when overclocked to much also throttle. My card @450/1200 scored 13457 which is pretty good.

I set it to 465/1200 and it passed all tests required. Benched it and it scored 12200 or there abouts. The card was throttling itself Sad

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Just a few things to take into consideration when overclocking.

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Reply #16 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 1:16pm

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Where do i get 3dMark01 from? Thanks

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Reply #17 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 1:27pm

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Futuremark as well I think. Same people made it that made 3dMark03 and 3dMark05.

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Reply #18 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 1:55pm

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Yea on bench my sys got 19500. I can still clock it alot higher but then it gets heat dangerous. yea i dought ill get it passed 21k. U got urs to 24000 because of ur 3500 processor. Mines the 3200.

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Reply #19 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 2:01pm

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That was with 3dMark01SE

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Reply #20 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 3:44pm

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get a phase-changer type cooling if you want to overclock...

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Reply #21 - Oct 10^th, 2004 at 7:08pm

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I think this loooks nice!

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-450&depa=0

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Reply #22 - Oct 11^th, 2004 at 2:34am

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that one should work if the mobo suppports 1GB/bank.
over 2x more expensive compared to a 512MB DIMM

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Reply #23 - Oct 11^th, 2004 at 3:11am

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Thats the same stuff I got. I run Corsair XMS PC3200 2x512 sticks in my PC. I managed to tighten the timings a bit though over standard.

No good if you want to overclock though! You wont be able to raise the HTT much at all with that ram. Its only my ram holding me back at the moment. You shoulda realised this if your planning to overclock so much though Wink

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Reply #24 - Oct 11^th, 2004 at 1:33pm

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Yeah Futuremark.com for benchmarks. My brothers gonna d/l it for me at uni cos he's got broadband there!!!!! Tongue

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Reply #25 - Oct 11^th, 2004 at 6:53pm

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bout this?? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-114&depa=0

can i over clock that well?

Thanks:)

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Reply #26 - Oct 12^th, 2004 at 1:57am

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Nope!!

As you have an AMD64 3200 its Multiplyers will be locked. The only way you will overclock your CPU is adjusting the HTT higher. Some rams will clock there FSB/HTT (same thing) a fair bit but with the sacrifice that you loose ram timings.

I would say at present you are running 200x10 thus giving you 2000Mhz. If you want 2500MHz your HTT will need to be 250MHz meaning you would need ram that is capable of 500MHz FSB to run ultimately stable. I expect there are ram sticks out there that will overclock from say 470FSB to 500 though I cannot quote which as I have not tried and would be unwilling to make a suggestion in case it doesnt work.

I really don't think that any PC3200 stuff is gonna be capable of clocking that high and stay in synch with the rest of your system though.

PC4000 ram is 500MHz
PC3700 ram is 466MHz (Possibly will clock higher? might require more voltage though)
PC3500 ram is 434MHz

My next lot of ram will be OCZ stuff. Not sure which as they do a few types, but i want fast ram with tight timings.

Also when overclocking there is an option in BIOS that should be LDT (HT) x5 at the moment. The aim is to multiply this by your HTT (FSB) and have it equal 1000. So standard 200*5 = 1000. If you overclock and get to HTT (FSB) of 250MHz then you will want to set this @ LDT (HT) x4. 250*4 = 1000.

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Reply #27 - Oct 12^th, 2004 at 5:56pm

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Ok so PC 4000 is the best? Ya got any suggestions of PC 4000 1gig dual channel ram? I will worry about clocking the ram once i get it. I just want ram thant can overclock alot and thats really fast.

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Reply #28 - Oct 12^th, 2004 at 6:07pm

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Ok Whats better PC4000 or PC3200??? I found out that pc 3200 is ALOT more expensive then PC4000 OCZ (is that a good company????) was going for around $150!! and the kingston was like $250 Which one is better? Which one is ffaster? With one lasts longer? Which one will give me a lower FPS? Thanks

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Reply #29 - Oct 13^th, 2004 at 1:47am

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To get lower FPS wou want memory with a high bandwidth and Low Latency, i.e. tight timings. A lot of the good quality ram is capable of achieveing tight timings.

Be careful when purchasing ram as for exampl OCZ do more than one type! i.e. performance ram, ehanced bandwith ram etc etc

Ideally you want ram you dont have to overclock. So you get ram with a speed that matches the FSB of what you will be overclocking too.

I think you should go look into overclocking a bit more especially with regards as to what your mobo is capable of and any probs you may encounter. For the speeds you are trying to achieve you should kinda have a good idea of what you are doing otherwise your gonna end up with all kinds of unstability problems.

As for the ram, I cannot reccomend any. You will have to make your own decision on that one. I haven't purchased any rams with higer speed than PC3200 so cannot quote whether its good or not. It would be a shame though you spend more money on high speed ram and at the end of it you struggle to overclock and end up with you system running at a low FSB as your ram will be wasted then.

Myself when I buy ram will buy OCZ PC3700 Enhanced Bandwidth Ram. This only 466MHz but it has tight timings and my Multiplyer is locked one higher than yours at 11 so 11*233 (Half of 466) = 2563MHz which I would be happy with.

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Reply #30 - Oct 13^th, 2004 at 3:22pm

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AHHHH im in such a position and I dont know what to get and I really dont want to get ripped for my money!!! I want to get the best 1 gig ram there is!
BUT its hard to know what is the best one!

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Reply #31 - Oct 13^th, 2004 at 4:27pm

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Yup, dont worry we all make mistakes. Im stuck with PC3200 stuff at the moment and one of my 512 sticks bit the dust earlier tonight so I am running on 1stick of 512 at the moment Sad

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Reply #32 - Oct 14^th, 2004 at 8:41pm

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Hi Guys

I recently got 1Gb of Kingmax DDR500. Already runs very fast with good timings, but can also be well O/C. Can be got for £80 per 512Mb. For some reason, it does especially well in Asus boards.

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