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Jan 21st, 2004 at 6:01pm

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Amongst many of the things me and my mom debate over, is whether or not Stalin was worse than Hitler.  It has always been my understanding, than when you boil it down to the basics, Hitler was trying to help people (albeit a very select group) and Stalin was just purging everybody. Lips Sealed Although it's not to say one was a bowl of cherries either. Tongue

Although I haven't researched it, I think more people died under Stalin's time in power than under Hitler's.
 

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Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2004 at 4:49pm

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i think of it this way. Hitler was an evil genious, and stalin was geniously evil(if thats such a term:))
While Hitler had good intentions to start with, his evil side took over being fueled by his intelligence, and his arrogence. Stalin was not so much of an all round genious more that when it came to the horrible acts, he was just very good. If that makes any sense
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2004 at 5:43pm

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Stalin's time was a lot longer than Hitler's. Hitler had 12 years, Stalin had about 30 (I think thats right). There both as bad as each other but I think Hitler's worse. As his was an organised killing machine. He was the one who had death camps and who killed, with german efficiancy, anyone he didn't like.
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 29th, 2004 at 7:14pm

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I wouldn't say Hitler had good intentions.  In Mein Kampf he already had outlined his plans for all inferior peoples.  Didn't Stalin kill his closest advisors and family?
 

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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2004 at 4:28pm

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i think of it this way. Hitler was an evil genious


Nah... I think more of a madman... Smiley
 
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Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2004 at 10:34pm

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I personally think that Hitler was worse than Stalin.  It's true that Stalin killed more people than Hitler did, but Stalin killed to control his people (like any evil dictator)-Hitler killed just for the sake of killing.  He hated a particular group of so called "inferior" people and wanted them wiped out even though they really didn't oppose him.  Therefore, Hitler was worse.
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2004 at 1:42am

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Stalin made Hitler look like a school teacher in my case.  But in the end, they really are as bad as one another, they'll both burn in hell eternally.
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 6:56pm
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I hate them both. Angry
 
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Reply #8 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 8:00pm

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both evil, both megalomaniacs, both psychotic, both dead.
 

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Reply #9 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 8:51pm

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both evil, both megalomaniacs, both psychotic, both dead.

I couldn't have said it better myself.   Wink
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 1:45am

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I personally think that Hitler was worse than Stalin.  It's true that Stalin killed more people than Hitler did, but Stalin killed to control his people (like any evil dictator)-Hitler killed just for the sake of killing.  He hated a particular group of so called "inferior" people and wanted them wiped out even though they really didn't oppose him.  Therefore, Hitler was worse.


Thats spot on.
Hitler wanted world control, with the Germans as the master race and everyone else as slaves. Stalin just wanted to stay in power, like any politician, and used barbaric methods to keep this so. In my opinion there is no comparison between them.

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Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2004 at 10:52pm

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As for who killed most - If you attribute the 50 million deaths of WWII directly to Hitler (after all, popular opinion dictates that there would have been no "world war" had it not been for his and Germany's agression, at least not on the scale that resulted), then Hitler is probably ahead by 20 million or so.

But then we really don't know how many Stalin is responsible for, do we. Estimates put it at 30 million, but who really knows.

As for Hitler being 'Intelligent' - I doubt he actually was of more than average intelligence. He certainly had a gift for oratory, and he also had a knack for getting to the heart of the people's 'pet peeves'. It's these skills that he used to 'fool' and 'rile' the German people (who didn't need alot of persuading anyway), that allowed for his rise. The Allies total blindness and apathy regarding the state of the German economy and other socio-economic consequences of Verseilles would have to be counted among one of the main reasons for WWII coming about.
Many (before me) have said that WWII was a direct result of the stupdity of WWI. Just a different type of stupidity. Period.

The tactics that won the campaigns in Polland, The Lowlands and France were due to mainly the 'Blitzkreig' philosophy, which was not Hitlers at all. The great Tank commanders, such as Rommel and Guderian were responsible for speed of those victories, and Hitler knew it. Along with the rest of Europe's 'lack of stomach' for war.

No, not a genius by any stretch. Talented, yes. His biggest problem was that he actually thought he was right!!

As someone pointed out earlier, the mans evil leanings and his 'unreasonable' and 'unfounded' ideas about race and superiority were well documented when he was a nobody. So he was always going to be 'trouble'  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2004 at 11:06pm

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If it's the total number killed that makes the person the worst, then I'd add Mao Zedong to the list.  He caused a total of 60 million deaths, more than Stalin and Hitler.
 
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Reply #13 - Apr 18th, 2004 at 4:34pm

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They're really equal. I mean Hitler killed off 6 million people of his own race (he was half jewish) & Stalin killed off all of his officers. Hitler wanted to rule Europe & Stalin already ruled half of Asia. Hitler never went higher in the army than coporal. (Churchill would call him Coporal Hitler before the war) Stalin had little military experience. Only thing that saved Russia (and Stalin) from  annihilation was the winter. Hitler was too busy sleeping to stop D-Day. Truthfully they both sucked when it came to commanding an army. Personally i think that they were equally bad commanders (though its obvious that Stalin was either a little better or a little luckier than hitler)
To Round it off they were both mean #$!!#@$!& & its good thing they're both dead. (If we were talking anybody else that would see cruel, huh)
 
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Reply #14 - Apr 18th, 2004 at 11:34pm

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They're really equal. I mean Hitler killed off 6 million people of his own race (he was half jewish)


Interesting statement - but I haven't been able to find  anything to corroborate it from my readings and a quick search ...

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Reply #15 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 9:45am

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I think Hitlers father came from a Jewish background. But with Nazi ideology this didn't matter as the jewishness went down the mothers side of the family.

As for Stalin being a useless military commander, this he was, but unlike Hitler, Stalin realised this and quickly gave control of his armies to his Generals and didn't interfere.

As for who is worse, it is Hitler, simply because of the brutal efficiency at which he disposed of those ethnic groups he didn't like.
 

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Reply #16 - May 8th, 2004 at 8:53pm

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what about Gabriel Princip (im not sure if thats his first name) but because of his ideological ideas he was the spark responsible for the first world war, and that was cleaned up in a messy way. Because of this he could have been liable to blame for the second as well. simply because he put two bullets into Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria Hungry.!
but since it is out of hitler and stalin, i would say that they are both as bad as eachother.
on one hand hitler wa a cleaver man but sometimes he lied through his teah. an example of this is when he marched right into the rhineland with troops. this was a de-militerized zone after WW1 and he was completely defying the Treaty of Versailles. To be honest, UK and US should have put a firmer foot down. He was lucky though as there was an attempt to kill him by one of his generals. cant remember the name but he only had 1 eye!
on the other hand is stalin. He did for a long time negotiate with the uk and us and italy during the conferences of potsdam and the like. but he was more of an eil man than hitler. he grew up knowing only of power. he thought himself as dictator and king of the world in his opinion. infuriating him over the change of currency in germany after it was in control of the allies was a bad idea on the UK and USA front.


That was a little bit of my GCSE history for you. ive got my exam in about 7 weeks so wish me good luck.  Wink


i really think stalin was worse as he was plain evil whereas hitler did what he did because he wanted a better world for germany.

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Reply #17 - May 9th, 2004 at 4:00am
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on one hand hitler wa a cleaver man but sometimes he lied through his teah. an example of this is when he marched right into the rhineland with troops. this was a de-militerized zone after WW1 and he was completely defying the Treaty of Versailles.


He didn't do that just one single time...the whole german army after 1935 was -seen from the treaty of Versailles- completely "illegal".
He didn't care about it either,he just wanted revenge for it on the French.


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He was lucky though as there was an attempt to kill him by one of his generals. cant remember the name but he only had 1 eye!


Graf von Stauffenberg. Stunning plan for an assassination and the "life after",but a wooden table saved Hitler's life. This wasn't the only attempt to kill him. There were dozens,if not  hundreds more...

 
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Reply #18 - May 9th, 2004 at 4:16pm

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Grin thats the 1., i wathced something on discovery about it!
 

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Reply #19 - May 9th, 2004 at 8:54pm

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what about Gabriel Princip (im not sure if thats his first name) but because of his ideological ideas he was the spark responsible for the first world war, and that was cleaned up in a messy way. Because of this he could have been liable to blame for the second as well. simply because he put two bullets into Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria Hungry.!


Gavrilo Princip was spared from a death sentence only because he was a minor (17) when he fired the bullets.  The Austrians would have concocted some other excuse to "deal with the Serbian matter"  even if it had not been handed to them on such a nice platter as the assasination of the Archduke.


 

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