Paywares have become a main part of FS2002, there are more paywares for FS2002 than there were for FS2000...
And there probably will be more payware for FS2004.

Some of these paywares don't even get close to the quality of designs by freeware designer, and we can quickly see that these very good freeware designers are turning to payware, and i can understand them, "why do some crap paywares designers make money, while i'm releasing the best quality designs for free" that is perfectly understandable.

And more and more, we see great freeware designer going payware. Today, some of you may have heard, Peter Dowson, the author of FSUIPC, has gone payware for his module.

I think that this is the end of high-quality, fancy, eye-candy, freeware designs. FSUIPC is probably the most essential program with FS2002, and now that it is payware, many freeware designers will probably follow.

I do buy payware, but how much can one person buy...
Buying the whole Lago collection will probably cost you a few hundred bucks..
The MiG-21 i got.. 25$... that's a massive price, half or 1/3 of FS2002 itself, that's shocking..
FS2002 is probably the most expensive thing out there, because of the payware..

So I think I'll stop getting those, as there are more and more, and if i don't put a stop to buying it, and always want to get the latest, i won't be able too for FS2004...

So I'll get Lock-On Modern Air Combat, the game play will last more than a year, and there's a campaign designing thingy, so probably it will be unlimited game play without paywares...
And i even might skip FS2004...


well okay, that's just my opinion of where the FS world is going, it's going "payware; more payware, less freeware"

Asnamara 8)

P.S: Big-Up, Respect and Thank you to all Freeware designers!!

P.S.S: okay that's all, sorry for long post

FSUIPC is going payware?!

The world just became a darker place

I agree Asnamara. its quite a pity really that even freeware groups and designers are going payware. Soon we will have to depend not on those 'design groups', but on the people who actually have a concience. In my own opinion making payware add-ons is illogical. You waste a lot of time on them but thats not an excuse; most of these designers work on the model a bit, then save and send it to others to keep on working. I must say its a great way to make money but its wrong. I think the only reasonable way you can do payware and its right is when the money benefits a specific organization such as the MAAM B-25 and the PSS Vulcan. because of your donations they can make great planes fly again and you actually get something in return. Now with people that seriously need money quick cause theyre in some money troubles and all i think maybe i can understand...but they should go get a job. Great freeware aircraft out there like the Meljet 777/747 (I doubt Mel will go payware) the FSD T-38, the GroundCrew He111, and the DSB Eurofighter and Tornado take much time to complete. But those people who make it freeware do it cause they dont find a moral point in payware and they just wanna please the sim comunity. I must agree some freeware designers just make the plane cause they really wanna see it in the FS world for themselves, but the people who work hours and hours designing these freeware stuff for the simmers out there; those are the blessed ones. I tell ya i see some payware thats like $30 and im mad;with 30 bucks i can buy CFS3 retail. But as said before eventually freeware will basically cease to exist as people notice they can make lots of money off of it. But maybe thats the day when people who buy payware will notice they aint gonna waste their money and these payware designers get out with just a few dollars from the foolish ones. And then people will realize that if they keep spending money on payware they'll run outta money.Thats why i havent bought payware; cause i think its foolish and ridiculous. Cause with at least $20 i can buy an entire new game. Now, i like planes but i know the value of money and i know the value of things. So as Asnamara said. My hat's off to all the freeware designers. Thanks for givin us these great add-ons  

SilverFox441,
calm down a bit
okay, i get your point.. but i do buy some payware, those that are worth the price, and i absolutely do not say that payware is better than freeware in terms of quality, simply coz that isn't true..

Name any payware that is better than the Falcon 50 by Yannick Lavigne.. It'll be very hard, coz of all the payware i use, Falcon 50 beats them all in terms of quality.

About the demand you are right ... Reason i bought the MiG-21 for example: i love the plane!!
couldn't resist..

do i feel ripped of after buying that mig-21? of course i do! could have bought a freakin' game... However, do i regret buying it? no, of course not, it's really great.

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My point in this post was to criticize those payware groups that go payware for unclear reasons, with crap products... (Abacus is totally crap for example... Bought one of there products, was appaled.. wouldn't even download it if it were freeware)... Lots of companies are like that, they produce crap and get money for it...


Donation-wares are fine with me, at least its made by people with a passion for aviation, not money. If they have money as the main motive to produce paywares, then the quality will not be the best possible...
Only real passion for the plane will produce somehting great.


sorry, might have been to long-winded again 8)

This tread needs to be moved to "PAYWARE"
along with several others in raw screen shots
so the rest of us can get on with enjoying
our selfs in the forums!
I normally don't speak up in these, [DEBATES ?]

Thank you for your time!

X

Asnamara...I am calm.

I just get upset by people who complain about the "morals" or "concience" of payware designers. That wasn't you. Payware desingers are people...some of which are my friends.

I do understand that there is a threat to our much-valued way of getting freebies. Maybe I just don't care as much about it as some do...after all, if I really want something I will just sit down and build it. It may not be perfect...but I'll be able to fly it.

There is a distressing amount of low-quality payware available...I'll grant that. Some of the stuff is worse than what I build for free...and I'm not happy with a lot of my stuff.

What really is annoying is the transparent motives of some...they will complain about payware and the way this is disregarding the "values" of the community...but when you read what they say it is very apparent that they just want the stuff free...they inevitably decend into a complaint that they can't afford all the new planes they want. News Flash...either can I! I make decisions based on what I want most. I'd bet you wouldn't hear a peep from them one way or the other if they had a hook into getting the stuff for free.

Payware better than Yannick's Falcon...easy...but very recent. The new Beech 400A by Eaglesoft. I bought this one and am thrilled...just wish it was a Falcon 20F...then I could have taken a plane of my "to build" list. My own repaint of this plane in the fictional scheme of the Canadian Raytheon distributor:


Oz:

Never start commenting on somebody else's "morals" or "concience", or lack thereof and then tell somebody else not to start an agument and to keep it civil. If you want it kept civil then leave commentary such as that out of it. It wasn't applicable in the first place and it invites a similar response.

I'm sure you also realized that my statement of "demand" was in the market sense...as in, there is a demand for this subject to be modelled. It was not intended to be used in the imperative sense.

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It's the last forum on the list!

asnamara;
You're welcome

X

I wonder if the advent of COF has prompted some moves in the payware direction due to noncompatibility to COF and a large(perceived)market in FS2K2 that won't be buying COF.
There have been some huge efforts out there,it seems,to produce aircraft that now will not pay off in 2K2 and will ,as things go, be offered later.
Speculation only!

There is a problem that payware designers don't understand, there is also a VERY LARGE group of minors in the FS world, maybe more than adults although I'm not sure. The problem is that these minors don't have credit cards or checking accounts, the more expensive products get, the less they will be bought. I am thinking of going payware after I finish the F-4 and another a/c. But when I do it won't be 25-30 bucks, are payware designers nuts, you pay almost 1/3 the price of the sim for a A/C you only fly once or twice in a while. IF I go payware my planes will be 5-10 bucks, nothing expensive, and I'll except cash to then email the download link for the plane, which of course I will change everyday to keep wood be hackers from stealing it 

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Well, its our opinion after all and we do live in a free world 

also when you say paywares designers spend huge amount of time to produce these paywares... It is MASSIVE amounts of time, many thousand hours on a 30$ payware... I myself got FS2002 Pro for about 55USD (110 singapore $)... Those paywares are half the price of FS2002 itself.. And i bet that the FS2002 developing team spent way more than double the hour of payware designers... (correct me if i'm wrong).. Although we all have to live with it, and i personnally won't mind to much, not everybody has money to throw out the window (good thing there are freewares ).

Also about blades' comment about minors.. I'm an adult now, but i wasn't a few month ago ... There's nothing more frustrating than begging your parents for days for a single freakin' freeware.. Most of the time they willl refuse... So keep in consideration the young ones ..
And yes, i do believe the majority of the people posting in this forum are under 18... we had a post about it long time ago 8)... maybe we should make a poll  



bye 8)

I think by the end of the summer it'll be time for me to get a job lol.

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I am sorry, i just felt like venting alittle. I guess it's a touchy subject. I guess it is easier for the older people in these forums to get this stuff, so I apologize.

Dave    8)

I was once foolish to complaining about payware files. But to repeat what was already said, you get what you pay for.

I wanted high quality military planes, the only way I could get those were to purchase them. What kills me is people complain about payway aircraft yet see no issue to upgrade to the latest and greatest Video card usually costs around $300 USD if not more.

Others have to have the whole HOTAS, cougar costs over $400 or the Yoke and peddal system which I'm assuming must be more than that.

This is no longer just a game but a hobby. Try taking up skiing or golf and see how expensive everything is. I had to stop skiing due to the climbing cost of the ski ticket, gas and everything else.

If you can provide good freeware for those who can't/won't purchase payware then good for you. But I for one am glad there are companies stepping forward producing HIGH QUALITY Military AC for my simming pleasure  8)

just my opinion, not attacking anyone else's

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Whitey, the B-1 was only freeware because they didn't have enough info on it to make it as detailed as the rest of their fleet.

Lago & I3D is making what the community wants and is asking for, HIGHLY DETAILED Military aircraft. The freeware guys aren't making them