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Message started by andy190 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:45am

Title: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:45am
I thought I would throw together a table of drivers to be in Formula 1 next year. :)

Who do you think is going to leave or debut? Or even come back? ;)


Red Bull Racing Renault

Engine: Renault

1. Sebastian Vettel (Has contract)
2. Mark Webber (Has contract)



Vodafone McLaren Mercedes

Engine: Mercedes

3. Jenson Button (Has contract)
4. Sergio Pérez (Has contract)



Scuderia Ferrari

Engine: Ferrari

5. Fernando Alonso (Has contract)
6. Felipe Massa (Has contract)



Mercedes AMG Petronas

Engine: Mercedes

7. Lewis Hamilton (Has contract)
8. Nico Rosberg (Has contract)



Lotus F1

Engine: Renault

9. Kimi Räikkönen (Has contract)
10. Romain Grosjean (TBC)



Sahara Force India

Engine: Mercedes

11. Paul di Resta (TBC)
12. TBC (TBC)



Sauber F1

Engine: Ferrari

14. Nico Hülkenberg (Has contract)
15. Kamui Kobayashi (TBC)



Scuderia Toro Rosso

Engine: Ferrari

16. Daniel Ricciardo (Has contract)
17. Jean-Éric Vergne (Has contract)



Williams F1

Engine: Renault

18. Pastor Maldonado (TBC)
19. Bruno Senna (TBC)



Caterham F1

Engine: Renault

20. Heikki Kovalainen (TBC)
21. Vitaly Petrov (TBC)



HRT F1

Engine: Cosworth

22. Pedro de la Rosa (Has contract)
23. Narain Karthikeyan (TBC)



Marussia F1

Engine: Cosworth

24. Timo Glock (Has contract)
25. Charles Pic (TBC)

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:22am
My thoughts on driver replacements.

Force India:

Sutil or Alguersuari may come back.

Sauber:

Kobayashi will be replaced by Reserve Driver Gutiérrez due to pressure from Mexican Sponsors.

Williams:

Senna & Reserve Driver Bottas will swap.

Caterham:

I have a feeling that Heikki is going to retire with Van Der Garde as the replacement & Vitaly will stay or move to Marussia.

HRT:

Karthikeyan will probably be replaced by Reserve Driver Ma Qinghua.

Marussia:

Pic may move up & Reserve Driver Chilton may get a seat.
A bit difficult to guess because both have rich parents who may buy shares.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by C on Nov 15th, 2012 at 4:20pm
I suspect Sutil will probably get the SFI seat back, and Gutierrez will be at Sauber.


andy190 wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:22am:
A bit difficult to guess because both have rich parents who may buy shares.


Max Chilton's father has said he can't afford to put any of his own money behind his son for F1. It'll have to be with sponsors and merit.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by -Crossfire- on Nov 21st, 2012 at 7:04am
I suspect Grosjean will not be at Lotus next year.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Nov 26th, 2012 at 11:32pm
Time for an Update. ;)

Sauber:

Esteban Gutierrez is taking over the Second Driver seat at Sauber &
Robin Frijns has been confirmed as Reserve Driver.


Caterham:

Charles Pic is moving to Caterham for next year but no other Drivers have been announced.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by -Crossfire- on Dec 1st, 2012 at 9:29pm
New rumour... Kobayashi to Lotus for 2013...

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Dec 2nd, 2012 at 12:00am
Sorry for not posting this sooner. ;)

Williams:

Pastor Maldonado & Valtteri Bottas have been confirmed as First & Second Drivers for Williams.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Dec 2nd, 2012 at 12:01am

-Crossfire- wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 9:29pm:
New rumour... Kobayashi to Lotus for 2013...


Where did you hear that? I haven't heard that rumour. :-[

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Dec 19th, 2012 at 10:54pm
Time for another update.

Lotus:

Romain Grosjean has been confirmed at Lotus for another year.


Marussia:

GP2 Driver Max Chilton will race for Marussia in 2013.

The 21-year-old British GP2 Driver takes the second seat at the team alongside Timo Glock.

Chilton who came forth in the 2012 GP2 Series was widely expected to get the seat after 2012 Marussia Driver Charles Pic signed with Catherham.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Jan 27th, 2013 at 1:05am
This update is a bit late, never mind.

Marussia:

Timo Glock has lost his seat at Marussia despite having another year to run on his contract.

It appears that Marussia are looking for a driver with sponsorship as well as talent due to the team losing the lucrative 10th place in the constructors’ championship to Caterham.



Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by C on Jan 28th, 2013 at 3:01pm
Various names have been mentioned for Marussia.

Having taken on Chilton, I can't see them taking another rookie, whatever the money he brings. Petrov, Senna or Buemi? They're three of the names being banded around, Di Grassi and Alguesuari being retained Pirelli. Kovaleinen is also free, but is in a similar position to Glock.

If I was betting, I suspect Senna may bring the money and overall experience the team need.

Petrov however, would be an obvious bet as a Russian in a Russian sponsored team.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Jan 28th, 2013 at 5:58pm
I have a gut feeling that Petrov will stay at Catherham, after all he did bring them $10m in sponsorship & got them 10th in the constructors’ championship.

I think Senna is the likely option for Marussia but maybe not the one they want.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 9:02pm

Quote:
I have a gut feeling that Petrov will stay at Catherham...


Apparently my gut isn't a very good one.

Catherham:

Giedo van der Garde has been named as Second Driver for Catherham partnering Charles Pic.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by Craig. on Feb 6th, 2013 at 3:52am
luiz razia for marussia
who says f1 isn't about talent ::) ::)

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by -Crossfire- on Feb 6th, 2013 at 2:00pm
All the cars for 2013 have been unveiled.  Really like the look of the new Sauber...   Not liking the nose on the RB9...

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Feb 6th, 2013 at 8:24pm
Marussia:

Luiz Razia completes Marussia's Driver line-up as Second Driver alongside Max Chilton.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Feb 6th, 2013 at 8:52pm

Craig. wrote on Feb 6th, 2013 at 3:52am:
luiz razia for marussia
who says f1 isn't about talent ::) ::)


I actually think what Marussia & Catherham are doing is the right thing.

Getting Pay Drivers to help pay for 2014 & the new regulations.

Razia will probably be dumped for 2014 for someone with proper talent.



-Crossfire- wrote on Feb 6th, 2013 at 2:00pm:
All the cars for 2013 have been unveiled.  Really like the look of the new Sauber...   Not liking the nose on the RB9...


The Williams FW-35 hasn’t been unveiled yet, just the 2012 car with a Vanity Panel & the new livery.

I agree about the Sauber, but if they stuck a bit of blue on the sidepod it would look even better.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by Craig. on Feb 11th, 2013 at 7:31pm
Sorry Andy but Marussia and caterham are not interested in talent at all. If they were Glock and Heikki would have been kept on at their respective teams. You cant build for 2014 without experience. The changes are going to be huge and teams will need experience this year in the sims on the test tracks and in the office to get a useful car for next.
Despite all the PR talk of we will be better and move forward, the reality is, they are a bunch of guys looking to milk some unknowing pay driver and his country bank roll for every penny they can to line their pockets.
What we end up with is Yuji Ide and Super Aguri. A team thats slow with a driver who'd go the wrong way if it weren't for cars lapping him.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Feb 11th, 2013 at 10:02pm

Craig. wrote on Feb 11th, 2013 at 7:31pm:
Sorry Andy but Marussia and caterham are not interested in talent at all. If they were Glock and Heikki would have been kept on at their respective teams. You cant build for 2014 without experience. The changes are going to be huge and teams will need experience this year in the sims on the test tracks and in the office to get a useful car for next.
Despite all the PR talk of we will be better and move forward, the reality is, they are a bunch of guys looking to milk some unknowing pay driver and his country bank roll for every penny they can to line their pockets.
What we end up with is Yuji Ide and Super Aguri. A team thats slow with a driver who'd go the wrong way if it weren't for cars lapping him.


What I mean by drivers with proper talent is of course Pay Drivers with some talent.

What you and others who want to keep Hiekki & Glock because they are so ‘great’, is that Pic was a match for Glock for most of the season & Vitaly consistently beat Hiekki once he got used to the car.

Glock was talented I will agree with that, but Hiekki? Two years at McLaren & only one win?

Not even being able to beat Vettel at Monza 2008? That doesn’t sound like a talented driver to me.

I have a feeling that Petrov with be with Marussia in 2014,  at least at the Russian GP.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by C on Feb 13th, 2013 at 5:17am

Craig. wrote on Feb 11th, 2013 at 7:31pm:
What we end up with is Yuji Ide and Super Aguri. A team thats slow with a driver who'd go the wrong way if it weren't for cars lapping him.



Not really. VdG and Razia have nothing in common with Yuji Ide. Both have won multiple GP2 races over the past 4 years or so, and in fact, certainly in the case of Petrov, have similar or better pre-F1 records to those they are replacing. Actually, in some ways it's refreshing to see new talent coming into F1. Ide's record was a supreme 4 race wins in just under 20 years (1 x F3, 2 x F Nippon, 1 x GT)

A decent through put of drivers is better than the same faces year on year, and if they perform in a mediocre fashion (it could be argued that Heikki, Petrov and Glock haven't exactly set the world on fire in F1), then hopefully in a couple of years, they'll move on too.

As for the pay driver tag, the refusal of the Austrians and the Italians to adhere to an resource restriction agreement has made life for two of the new teams far more difficult , and killed the third, has made well backed drivers a necessity. :) But at least this year's crop have talent to back it up.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by Craig. on Feb 13th, 2013 at 9:36am
C I will put a token fiver on it with you that none of the new drivers will come close to the outgoing drivers.
Glock Heikki are both fantastic developers, they aren't going to win you a championship but they bring the sort of skills the lower teams need. Look at how far both caterham and marussia have actually come in the past few years. I bet they both take a big step back this year.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by C on Feb 14th, 2013 at 9:58pm

Craig. wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 9:36am:
C I will put a token fiver on it with you that none of the new drivers will come close to the outgoing drivers.
Glock Heikki are both fantastic developers, they aren't going to win you a championship but they bring the sort of skills the lower teams need. Look at how far both caterham and marussia have actually come in the past few years. I bet they both take a big step back this year.


We'll never know, as the outgoing drivers, who've had there chance, are off.

As for the newer teams, there's no point having an experienced driver to develop a car if there's no money to pay for it.

All in the cycle of F1. Drivers come, drivers go. Drivers take opportunities (not Heikki@McL?), drivers lose them (Glock - TF1). Too many of the same faces, year on year, particularly in the middle and back make the sport stale. :)

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by Craig. on Feb 16th, 2013 at 7:18pm
To be fair as far as Hekki goes at Mclaren. How much of that was down to Lewis being there? His only two real chances to show he took them both. Silverstone quali where no one, could get even close to him in the wet. (though it didn't help Ferrari turned up with a suspension that didn't work and Massa thought he was part of dancing on ice)
And Hungary where except massa who lost the title in that race, no one was really close.
The reality was Mclaren needed a driver who wouldn't give them the trouble that Alonso did the year before, would keep his mouth shut and just deliver points while Lewis went for the title. Lets see what happens at Merc this year. You've got two young fast drivers again simmilar to Mclaren in 07.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Feb 17th, 2013 at 2:46am

Craig. wrote on Feb 16th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
To be fair as far as Hekki goes at Mclaren. How much of that was down to Lewis being there? His only two real chances to show he took them both. Silverstone quali where no one, could get even close to him in the wet. (though it didn't help Ferrari turned up with a suspension that didn't work and Massa thought he was part of dancing on ice)
And Hungary where except massa who lost the title in that race, no one was really close.
The reality was Mclaren needed a driver who wouldn't give them the trouble that Alonso did the year before, would keep his mouth shut and just deliver points while Lewis went for the title. Lets see what happens at Merc this year. You've got two young fast drivers again simmilar to Mclaren in 07.


I do feel that Heikki is one of the most over-rated drivers in recent history.

In 2008, he won one race, finished on the podium 3 times, and 7th overall in the championship - with the same car his teammate won the championship in.

In 2009, he finished the championship 12th, and his best result was a 4th place; with the same car, his teammate won two races and scored 5 podiums with.

And may I just add that Kovalainen's win in 2008 was only after his two main rivals, Hamilton and Massa, suffered a puncture and engine failure respectively.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by C on Feb 27th, 2013 at 2:37pm
Sutil all but confirmed at Force India.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Feb 28th, 2013 at 12:52am

C wrote on Feb 27th, 2013 at 2:37pm:
Sutil all but confirmed at Force India.


Unfortunately.

Sutil had his chance & never set the world alight.

Bianchi is a bit erratic but I think he deserves a chance.

However, if Sutil gets the seat I hope beats the mediocre Scotsman known as Di Resta.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Feb 28th, 2013 at 5:27pm
Force India:

Adrian Sutil completes Force India's Driver line-up alongside Scot Paul Di Resta.

Talking about his selection as the Second Force India Driver he said:


Quote:
"Everyone deserves a second chance."



However I'm sure Jules Bianchi is thinking:


Quote:
“Everyone deserves a first chance”

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by Craig. on Feb 28th, 2013 at 5:38pm
Word around the paddock is Sutil blew Bianci's times away when compaired.
This idea of setting the world alight in the midfield teams is really long gone. Unless a driver is super special. See Vettel winning in a torro rosso, chances are the bum in the seat of a midfield runner is there to bring the car home safely in the points where expected and that is all.
Side note, Hekki may be on the grid after all, word is apparently Razia's funding has fallen through and Kovi will drive in his place to start the season.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by C on Feb 28th, 2013 at 6:28pm
But is should be a place for development. Look at the top teams now and you have Vettel, Webber, Button (in reverse), Perez, Kimi, Alonso, Massa and Nico R, all who arrived in midfield teams.

Hamilton's the only one who didn't (although if STR hadn't existed, Vettel probably would have ended up at RBR just with the short stint at BMW,)

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Feb 28th, 2013 at 6:46pm

Craig. wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 5:38pm:
Word around the paddock is Sutil blew Bianci's times away when compaired.
This idea of setting the world alight in the midfield teams is really long gone. Unless a driver is super special. See Vettel winning in a torro rosso, chances are the bum in the seat of a midfield runner is there to bring the car home safely in the points where expected and that is all.
Side note, Hekki may be on the grid after all, word is apparently Razia's funding has fallen through and Kovi will drive in his place to start the season.


What I mean by hasn’t set the world alight is that Sutil hasn't done anything special in the FI apart from the latter part of 2011, after all he had 5 years in the car & only smashed his team-mate once.

About Sutil beating Bianchi's times, Sutil did a 1’22.877 on a dry track on the Soft tyres. Bianchi did a 1’25.732 on Mediums on a damp track.

Anyway, testing times are pretty irrelevant.

About the Hiekki rumours, Marussia couldn't pay Glock a Month ago so how could they pay Hiekki now?

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by Craig. on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:47pm
Bianci got the drive, Hekki was going to drive for free.
I am guessing Jules got the job with Ferrari offering up a fair bit of cash this season in return for marrusia buying ferrari engines next year.
The times were compaired based on previous tests of Bianci.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by andy190 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:57pm
Marussia:

Jules Bianchi has taken Luiz Razia's place at Marussia after the latter’s sponsors apparently did not pay-up.

Team principal John Booth confirmed Razia’s contract with the team has been “terminated” just 23 days after it was announced he would drive for them.

Title: Re: Formula 1 2013 Driver Line-up
Post by C on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 6:38pm

andy190 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:57pm:
Marussia:


Team principal John Booth confirmed Razia’s contract with the team has been “terminated” just 23 days after it was announced he would drive for them.



Reading between the lines, Razia needs to get some more reliable backing! :)

Good to see his seat go to a newbie.

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