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Message started by Jetranger on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:30pm

Title: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by Jetranger on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:30pm
I have a Question thats been bothering me for a few years and I'm sure others have the same thoughts and often wondered WHY ???  When we Flight Simmer Guru' Hobbyist download an Aircraft and sometimes an Aircraft doesn't come with a "VC" ( Virtual Cockpit), I always wondered Why, is it hard to make ? or - is the Program that makes Virtual Cockpits hard to work with and hard to use as to why some Aircraft Designers & Creators don't attempt to make a Virtual Cockpit.  I've always wondered this but never have asked before, didn't think anybody would tell me. So if you don't mind, what is the Answer ??  Thanks for the Info ! The Jetranger


Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by andy190 on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:47pm
There is not one simple answer Jetranger. Some developers aren’t interested, like Mike Stone.

Some don't know how to do it & some may plan to do one in the future.

You use the same program to make VC's as the exterior but the VC has to be a lot more detailed, like moving throttles & switches. And then you have to make the gauges & things so it is quite difficult.

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by Jetranger on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:52pm
Thanks, I Know I Couldn't do it, it turn out to be a Disaster and with my luck, somehow the Virtual Cockpit would end up on the outside of the Aircraft !!! :o :o :o  :-/ :-/

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by Xpand on Feb 20th, 2012 at 9:03pm
It's really hard, Jetranger. It's probably the most time consuming part of making an FS airplane.
To make it good you need tons of information: pictures of all the corners and holes in the cockpit, info on which gauge does what (especially when you can't read russian, like me and my Yak-15), make the 2D/3D gauges (which requires quite some experience with XML programming), texture everything from the large cockpit areas to the nuts and bolts. Animate and tag all switches, levers, trimrods, etc., if possible: Some cannot be simulated in FS therefore they're left unclickable. I personally love making my own planes exactly for the fact that you can make things up as you go along. If you're like me and have no chance of going near the real version of the plane you're doing, and cannot find any info on the nets after hours of searching (aka me and my Yak-15 again), you're going to be up for a lot of frustration and pain to make a decent VC...

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by andy190 on Feb 20th, 2012 at 9:22pm
What part of the Yak-15 cockpit do you need info on Ricardo?

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by Xpand on Feb 20th, 2012 at 9:43pm
Mostly the back side: the seat, rear side panels, behind the seat. And also the rudder pedal and yoke sections. I've been searching for clear pictures of that since September, when I halted the development of the plane....
Why do you ask?

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by andy190 on Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:05pm
There is a Yak-15 at the Vadim Zadorozhny Technical Museum near Moscow, have you emailed them asking for some pictures? :)

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by Xpand on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:20am
LOL, we can do that? xD

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by garryrussell on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 7:02pm
You need to understand systems as that all has to be modelled.

Reference is difficult

Timewise it takes loger than the rest of the model

I don't make VC's as I din't have the sysem knowwledge and also don't like VC's and never ever use them.

Si I'm not going to spend a thousand hours making something I'll never want to use. :o



Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by andy190 on Mar 13th, 2012 at 9:29pm

Xpand wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 8:20am:
LOL, we can do that? xD


I think we can. ;)

Check your PM's.

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by Steve Hess on Mar 13th, 2012 at 9:38pm
If you can find someone willing to make a VC, it can easily be added to the aircraft in FSX that doesn't have one. Again creating a VC is a big task, but it can be done.

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by jetprop on Mar 14th, 2012 at 1:55pm
I am curious,what VC is that?

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by garryrussell on Mar 14th, 2012 at 4:34pm
Looks like a Ford Trimotor

VC modelling is one thing, but to model it accurately with all the systems working correctly is very difficult

A lot of VC's are not done properly.

It's not a case of can it be done, more of whether or not enough reference and knowledge to do it properly is available.

You can add them easily to FS.X but not to FS.9

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by BlackAce on Mar 14th, 2012 at 10:20pm
Where did you get the tri-motor?

Title: Re: AIRCRAFT Designer Question ???
Post by Jetranger on Mar 14th, 2012 at 11:32pm
Everybody wants to know where did I get that Ford TRI-MOTOR at ?? Well, let me tell Ya, I gotta tell, I can't keep a secret for Jack diddly Squat ~ ! I got it from CR-1 Software ( google it ), and heres a Video Promo' of it, and it comes for FSX and has a self installer that works and comes with about 8 different paint schemes and not only is the Virtual Cockpit rendered really well, but you should see the Virtual Passenger cabin too, not all Cheesy and square & boxy like some are, quite detailed and rendered very very nicely - Tom over at CR-1 know what he's doing for sure !!  Heres the Promo' Video --------} http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzj2BVdabDo&context=C49b8471ADvjVQa1PpcFOu_gjY5_Hh0Zz2geU9fiTfX9DXESJ1ZRA=

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