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Title: I need to know
Post by alrot on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 10:31am

I been thinking to resume the Citation Sovereign

But I really need to know if there is a payware release already, I watched this website where one of the main in FSX seems to be one

http://realenvironmentxtreme.com/

I much rather to start another think like a Gulftream V than make a model which is already other available with VC

I know for a fact that there is a freeware one but it doesn't have VC and was exported using FS9-SDK

Its very beautiful but I think most of the FSX and FS9 people rather use the VC

Please let me know if there is another model ..thanks

Alex

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by hyperpep111 on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 10:54am

There was one by simscape but they pulled it. But haven't seen any but if I do I will inform you. But I would love to see one. :-/ with a vc

Renè

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by davysims on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 5:31pm

I would warn you if you are planning to do a Gulfstream model, the company will eventually send you a letter from their attorney telling you to stop work. They have almost everytime someone has posted screenshots online of a work in progress. Gulfstream is very protective of their image.

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by hyperpep111 on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 5:45pm

Then I guess Alex,
Sovereign It is :D :( ;D

Renè

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by alrot on Aug 26^th, 2011 at 9:29am

DaveSims wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 5:31pm:

yeah I heard about it :-/ , but !!! I mean not gulfstream ,(Sorry II misspelled) :P I said "GulfXtreme 5 a model made by my imagination ::) that its very similar ,but I swear I would never brake the copyrights of this company ::) ;) ;D

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by hyperpep111 on Aug 26^th, 2011 at 9:39am

alrot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2011 at 9:29am:

DaveSims wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 5:31pm:

I think you have to make up a new name that has no relevance to Gulfstream cause companies/Celebrities have an annoying habit of suing for names that sound a little like theirs :-/.

Renè

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by Jayhawk Jake on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 9:24am

There most definitely isn't a payware Sovereign. On the link you showed that's an Embraer Legacy

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by alrot on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 9:56am

Jayhawk Jake wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 9:24am:

There most definitely isn't a payware Sovereign. On the link you showed that's an Embraer Legacy

Oh that's good :) (we can't denied it looks a lot )

thanks Jake for the heads up

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by skoker on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 3:51pm

I would love to see the Soverign... then maybe a Beech jet 400? :D

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by pete on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 5:44pm

DaveSims wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 5:31pm:

Why does it matter if there is a payware one? There are lots of version of many aircraft.

& what can they do about it? Not much if we don't back down because no money is being made in freeware ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

We already have many Gulfstreams in FS. Never heard a problem after years and many 10's 1000's downloads.

It's just lawyers trying to push non existent muscle (from their metaphorical 4 inch thick arms). We live in a different age. They tried it in the past when flightsim.com/peter tishma tried to stop freeware and get a license for all real world airlines in FS. They failed because the world of FS stood up (& then forgot) . They will always fail in the world of FS if we stand against them. They know that, but rely on feeble, 1st port of call characters giving in. So just don't give in. Ignore!

Go ahead Alex. Guaranteed it will be a hit. & If you get a lawyers letter (which you won't) - sent it my way.. or ... MUCH better .... simply tell them to come & see you in Venezuela - tell them how to get a taxi from the airport .... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by Jayhawk Jake on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 10:39pm

pete wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 5:44pm:

DaveSims wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 5:31pm:

That was an inspiring speech Pete! And I agree, forget Gulfstream, if you want to make it, then make it. But finish the Sovereign first please, I want it. If you need information, I can see what I can do for you ;)

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by RaptorF22 on Sep 4^th, 2011 at 1:11am

pete wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 5:44pm:

DaveSims wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 5:31pm:

I agree!
As far as I can tell, modelling one of their aircraft falls under fair use laws.
It is an artist's rendition, and Gulfstream has no legal basis for preventing the flight sim community from producing freeware models of their aircraft.

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by BrandonF on Sep 4^th, 2011 at 2:31pm

I'd like to see a Sovereign...flying a Gulfstream in FS would be no fun because that would be supporting the sourness of the company. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by ApplePie on Sep 4^th, 2011 at 2:46pm

BrandonF wrote on Sep 4^th, 2011 at 2:31pm:

I'd like to see a Sovereign...flying a Gulfstream in FS would be no fun because that would be supporting the sourness of the company. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Letting GS's lawyers strong-arm you would support the company's sourness more IMO.

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by coalpedlar on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 7:40am

Alejandro;
Ya-da, ya-da, ya-da with Gulfstream !!

You've already done the Citation, although not the S model.

Gulfstream can't prove any harm by an artist producing what can be represented as art.

Let them rattle their sabre. Buy them a drink if they come to Venezuela.

Do the Gulf. So very few are available...
D

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by coalpedlar on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 7:42am

PS
The aircraft's visual image is in the 'public domain'.

Let's all go to the airport, photograph a Gulfstream, frame it and hang it on the wall.

The Gulf gestapo can't come get the pic, now can they...

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by jrbirdman on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 10:56pm

I'm sorry but I have to say that telling one of the TOP freeware designers to violate an international copyright law is sheer ignorance. Alexandro is a great modeler and I can't imagine him violating a law just because "he can" or because he lives in another country. Law is law no matter where you live and this is an international copyright law. Which means that no matter WHERE you are in the world, if you were to copy their design , it would be a violation of the law.

Alexandro, go with the Sovereign, I have the 500 and I love it. I would love to see it completed. You always make freeware products as good as payware, yet you are kind enough to make them available for all of us to enjoy. Thank you and you have my appreciation. Kind regards, Jeremy

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by jetprop on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 6:14am

as someone said its just a 'picture'
it is freeware so it isn't a product.
from what i understand about copyright they can't do anything about a non-product.

Quote:

Celebrities have an annoying habit of suing for names that sound a little like theirs

oh god can that spoiled justin bieber(totaly not a fan of him)sew me for having the same initials?
my initials are JB aswell....

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by alrot on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 1:32pm

Ok , something its Holding me back ,What's going to be " MS Flight" ,I would n'¡t want to spend a lot of work, time wasted and so hardworking in general and then when the New Simulator its released my new model would become garbage (Funny I said the same thing when FSX came out )in this same area of Simv Forums Once

put yourself in my position ,from my point of view ,I still remember to doubt about FSX and when it came out, FS9 models Didn't work at all in the beginning ,was about a year(Maybe less) latter when FSX-SP1 came out that FS9 actually made FS9 models to run in it .
and when that Happened I already learned to use FSX-SDK

rumors saids that "Flight" will have a different code and won't even accept previous version of MS Flight Simulator Series and worse ,seems that MS will be the one which will compile our models and decide which one or which not ,Besides It seems to be Gmax and 3d max will be useless ,I have no idea how Maya works,I can't even afford this software
Some of you will say It doesn't matter FSX will last forever that wasn't the case of FS9 when FSX came out ,Many Hold on FS9 game but the majority jump into FSX ,I remember (Including myself) with all its issues FSX was astonishing and couldn't never be compared with the old FS9 graphics ,
and as far I being seeing "Flight" has and amazing graphics I can tell by looking the Photos in "Flight" MS site

Lets see and Hope for the good will Microsoft , I'm in their hands (at least my FS life is) :'(

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by hyperpep111 on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 2:04pm

alrot wrote on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 1:32pm:

Your Models will never be garbage :). They'll be like Pac man. Not graphically or systematically great, But they'll sure be fun to fly in 20 years ;)

And Jetprop, I didn't know Justin Bieber was a flight simmer ;D

Title: Re: I need to know
Post by jetprop on Oct 8^th, 2011 at 2:52pm

well i did imagin the target was him in the flour power mision but...
i am just imagining a'release your anger'scenery addon....

attempt at being funny.