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Message started by snippyfsxer on Dec 31st, 2010 at 5:29pm

Title: Circling approach
Post by snippyfsxer on Dec 31st, 2010 at 5:29pm
I've avoided "circling approaches" like the plague.  Never done one, I don't think.

Can someone describe what this is, and all the various particulars, and under what circumstances you would ever do this?

Title: Re: Circling approach
Post by olderndirt on Dec 31st, 2010 at 8:53pm
A circling approach is usually brought on by a surface wind favoring a direction of landing not in line with the instrument approach.  Seems like the sky cover and visibility always make this essentially VFR maneuver very dangerous and airline pilots are strongly discouraged.  One evening, in ANC tower, we were forced to offer circling approaches to 24L from an approach to 6R.  A Northwest DC10, already circling, decided missed approach.  This called for him to proceed direct to ANC Vor - over which, unfortunately, was an Alaska 727 beginning his circling procedure.  It was all a$$holes and elbows in that tower cab but both Captains were real gentlemen and we all agreed it was a lousy setup  :).

Title: Re: Circling approach
Post by snippyfsxer on Dec 31st, 2010 at 10:12pm

olderndirt wrote on Dec 31st, 2010 at 8:53pm:
A circling approach is usually brought on by a surface wind favoring a direction of landing not in line with the instrument approach.  Seems like the sky cover and visibility always make this essentially VFR maneuver very dangerous and airline pilots are strongly discouraged.  One evening, in ANC tower, we were forced to offer circling approaches to 24L from an approach to 6R.  A Northwest DC10, already circling, decided missed approach.  This called for him to proceed direct to ANC Vor - over which, unfortunately, was an Alaska 727 beginning his circling procedure.  It was all a$$holes and elbows in that tower cab but both Captains were real gentlemen and we all agreed it was a lousy setup  :).


Sounds like it is normally better just to land downwind in a situation like the PANC case, then?

Title: Re: Circling approach
Post by olderndirt on Jan 1st, 2011 at 12:13am
Here again, when the weather's reported at or above circling minima, it's pilots' choice but having a pilot report of 'unable to maintain VFR circling, executing missed approach' made the straight-in, though downwind, approach acceptable.

Title: Re: Circling approach
Post by snippyfsxer on Jan 2nd, 2011 at 4:44pm
I have always kind of wondered how much experience real-life airline pilots, flying the biggies, have with flying visual circuits (GA style) in their 400,000lb airliner.  If they've been flying a DC-10 for years, on FMS or autopilot, and then have to, on the rare occasion, get in the visual pattern and fly the plane by the seat of their pants...

Title: Re: Circling approach
Post by olderndirt on Jan 2nd, 2011 at 5:27pm
The lack of visual references, especially at night flying so close to terrain are key factors.  Plus you have all the paying customers, most of whom aren't the least interested in anything resembling a bank angle particularly if they have the ground in sight  :).

Title: Re: Circling approach
Post by -Crossfire- on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 1:31am
Sorry but I disagree... circling approaches are perfectly safe... the circling minima is set to provide obstacle clearance.  Yes it's probablly not the best thing to be yankin' and bankin' at 600/700 feet in an airliner... but if conditions dictate you have to, well then you have to.  I do circling procedures at night, close or at minimuns quite regularly.

Title: Re: Circling approach
Post by Stewy44 on Jan 4th, 2011 at 1:08am
I used to hate it when ATC gave me a "circle to land" approach - now it doesn't bother me and I happily do them.

It all made no sense until I read this article :)

http://www.terps.com/ifrr/nov97.pdf

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